# 26 Feb, 2018 20:57
I think Nikita's proposal sounds very good.
# 28 Feb, 2018 13:31
Josh SmithHi Josh,
Maybe a simple reason : submitters and reviewers can only select 3 images per day. So, some images can be not selected, not because they are not great, but because there are "greater" images on a given day.
Nearly everyday I have to make a difficult choice, because I would like to push 5 or 6 images that deserve IMO to be TP/IOTD ; but it's not possible. The same thing happens I think for the reviewers. And on some (few days), there is no images I feel to push for TP/IOTD (or just 1 or 2, but not 3….
So, there can be some disputable choice for a given object when you compare images published in the same month, but to be consistent with the IOTD process, we should only compare images made in the same period of 3/5 days.
# 28 Feb, 2018 14:34
Jean-Baptiste AurouxThanks for clarifying JBJosh SmithHi Josh,
# 28 Feb, 2018 14:43
I think it should be a good idea if the submitters should have some veto power, at least being able to comment about some poor images before they are promoted to Top Picks.|
# 28 Feb, 2018 15:42
Jens ZippelHi Jens!
My workflow is somehow similar to yours.
I try to avoid any personal bias (oh no, not again another M42/Monkeyhead/Cirrus/etc.).
I'm also a more conservative submitter. Means I don't like to much pink or red images for effects. I like a well balanced "natural" impression.
I only submit yesterday's images to manage these avalanches of pics every day.
I also concur to you that this process needs no complication.
# 28 Feb, 2018 21:51
HY, it is just a question of personnal judgment.|
This one (which I realy like ) is TOPICK :
And mine is not :
So what, shall I be Angry ?
Not at all, my first think is about the chance we have to share different visions of the same object.
I like my Image , I worked hard on it. But not in the goal of a top PICK, IOTD, AAPOD, PRICE or medal. I just like it like this. Because it brings a feeling.
Everything else is out of my scope
Sorry for the french accent.
# 02 Mar, 2018 02:54
# 03 Mar, 2018 20:38
Hi @ all,|
Just my toughts as a beginner…
I would like to have taken into account what beginners do with their small budget equipment, when selecting a Top-Pic or an IOTD. Maybe, there have to be two categories for that in the future.
Just for my sake as a beginner:
If I'm not investing in expensive equipment, my aim to achieve a Top-Pic or an IOTD is never achievable and never would, even if my skills in data processing are top of noch.
My thoughts are, to promote those newbies/beginners, lacking on equuipment, with some kind of reward as well.
Thank you for reading and always CS,
# 03 Mar, 2018 20:51
As one of the judges I can say that I definitely take the equipment used into consideration for IOTD.
Top Picks are out of my hands but I do know that the reviewers have the same stance, or some of them anyway
# 03 Mar, 2018 22:40
I would go back and ask: Why an IOTD at all? This has always been a mystery to me.|
When someone recently wrote to me that my 50 tile mosaic of Orion should be submitted to AB, it would surely win the IOTD, I was a bit offended. I don't need to win anything. My image stands on it's own perfection in my mind.
# 05 Mar, 2018 07:45
Tobias ArtingerHi Tobias!
On one hand I find it understandable when small budget photographers say they can't compete with the guys with big purses and bigger telescopes, cameras, etc.
On the other hand - and please don't take this personal, no pun intended - it sounds to me like "everybody deserves a price". If someone has a slower scope s/he must do more frames, if necessary two or three nights instead of just a couple of hours in one night.
To illustrate this: I submittet Thor's Helmet by NorthField
It has a color gradient, background is full of drizzles, but it's rich of details and quite good for his telescope (100mm f6) and it took him 13+ hours shooting frames.
I doubt that my submission will make to the IOTD, but I find it noteworthy.
As I former stated, I only vote for yesterday's pics. To me that's most fair to all photographers as otherwise, at least it concerns to me, most votes go to the newest images. If I vote in the morning or at noon, there are tons of new images coming til the end of the day. Will anybody or a larger number of submitters revise his decission when he sees new images in the evening?
Back to you, Tobias, where should we distinguish between small budget and big budget astronomers, small toyed and big toyed astronomers, home growned or remote growned images, perfect frames from a colaboration ("AstroWest"? Sorry, can't remember their name) under a perfect sky and not-so-perfect frames from someones own equipment under a not-so-perfect sky?
Discussing this topic reminds me of opening Pandora's Box.
# 05 Mar, 2018 09:57
There are some really nice images taken with budget setups.|
Just go through some of the recent Top Picks and you’ll find a fair number of galaxies show with GSO 8” RC, KAF-8300 sensors and Sky Watcher EQ6 that are amazing!
# 08 Mar, 2018 14:59
Gernot SemmerHi Gernot!
Thank you for your long answer on this. It's not my intention to win a prize as I'm a beginner in astrophotography, but the question in my mind was, what can be done about those, who began an improved themselves over a year or two. Not that I want to have a prize for my sake. My personal prize is that I have somehow enough images collected until the end of 2018, to create my own calendar for 2019, printed for all of my family, friends and those who are interested in.
Yes, the separation between beginner/pro, low budget equipment or such is not an easy one. If this can ever be achieved. I'm unconcerned about that. I am happy, not to be one of the judges.
taken June 2017
taken in February 2018
Nevertheless, it's a long road improving myself and my equipment. I'm quite happy with my results up to this point. Never thought of getting these results that quickly after kicking of in January 2017.
# 08 Mar, 2018 15:08
Thank you for pointing out these images. They are really well done, but for me, there is some blotchiness around. But this please take as just my 2 cents on it. But the equipment for taking images is not equal to those who only use DSLR cameras. I made a filter for searching purposes, just to find out, what can be achieved with my equipment, compared to others. And well hey, my thought was, that I'm inbound somehow.
150mm aperture and DSLR
# 09 Mar, 2018 07:13
I think the statement of treating locations, and level equipment used interesting. Compare an experienced photographer, with a camera to someone not quite as experienced, again with the same camera. One photographer may be able to make their instrument sing, and other…, perhaps not as much.|
As both photographers and astro-imagers mature, honing their craft, their technical ability and chest of available tools simply increases through experience. They simply become more judicious with their own work, and perhaps raising the bar for themselves.
Personally, if I go back and reprocess older images, they may often look better. It’s not the collection of the data in this example as it is the exact same data. The difference is the experiences gathered overtime that improve the final result. Same data, different result. So why complicate stuff by potentially alienating imagers and their work based on their equipment or where they choose to perform their craft?
It’s all about having fun, and making pretty images to share with family and friends. It’s a hobby that I enjoy, and it’s cheaper than getting that star cruiser to explore the cosmos to take in those close-up vistas.
Gosh, which category does this go….
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