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Heads up: experimenting with ads

siovene
25 Nov, 2018 13:38
I wanted to give you all a heads up: I will be experimenting with Google Adsense ads on AstroBin, only for visitors that are not logged-in and members on the Free account.

It's just an experiment and I don't know whether or not I will continued, just don't be alarmed smile
Edited 25 Nov, 2018 14:38
PhotoMicQ
25 Nov, 2018 16:56
smilesmile
dakloifarwa
28 Nov, 2018 12:07
On my mobile phone the ads occupy up to 2/3 of the AB site 🤔
siovene
28 Nov, 2018 12:09
Screenshot please? Not acceptable!

EDIT: oh I see it… I'll fix that.
Edited 28 Nov, 2018 12:10
astrobrandy
28 Nov, 2018 18:32
Hi Salvatore,

in my opinion it is not necessary to show google add ons on Astrobin and when, as you said, only for not registered visitors or not logged-in members. It´  s bad that the add ons limit the visible field of astrobin on the monitor. I must say that I wondered myself when I suddenly saw those add ons from google.

many greetings
Stefan
torsinadoc
28 Nov, 2018 19:04
I dont see any ads when I checked from my phone or work computer (not logged into either)
siovene
28 Nov, 2018 20:22
Andreas Dietz
On my mobile phone the ads occupy up to 2/3 of the AB site 🤔

Fixed. Now they are much smaller on mobile devices. Thanks for pointing the issue out!

astrobrandy
in my opinion it is not necessary to show google add ons on Astrobin

I need to experiment with alternative income sources, with the ultimate goal of being able to work on AstroBin full time and make it better and better for everyone!

Alan
I dont see any ads when I checked from my phone or work computer (not logged into either)

Maybe an ad blocker? Anyway, depending on your country, ads are not served every time. Average worldwide fill rate is about 60%, and that's because I have specified restricted categories to keep the ads acceptable in content.

As I said, I am experimenting, so let's see how it goes!  smile
makhlouta
29 Nov, 2018 07:53
the whole page is on the left side today, it seems even without having ads, the site is still pushed to the left side instead of filling the screen or being in the middle. is this an expected behavior? the right 20% side of the screen is just empty with the grey background.
siovene
29 Nov, 2018 08:14
Hi Michael,
yes, it's expected for now while I run this experiment with ads. For window sizes between 1180 and 1365 pixels in width. Below 1180 there are no ads on the right size, and above 1365 there is room to both display an ad on the right and keep the content centered.

Tonight I will fix it so that the content is always centered for paying members as they are not served ads.

Thanks for the report!
astrobrandy
29 Nov, 2018 15:43
I need to experiment with alternative income sources, with the ultimate goal of being able to work on AstroBin full time and make it better and
better for everyone!


That is OK, Salvatore. Additional income sources that finally will have great benefits for all astrobin-users are absolutely right. Main thing, I don´   t see the add-ons when I am logged-in. I wish you success with your plan.

many greetings
Stefan
siovene
29 Nov, 2018 15:50
astrobrandy
Main thing, I don´   t see the add-ons when I am logged-in
Yes, Premium users do not see ads at the moment.

As announced in the beginning of the year, after the results from the survey, at some point early next year the situation might change like this:

 - Logged-out and non-paying users might see Google Ads (if this experiment goes well). Google Ads are usually not super great because they are seldom related to astronomy, except that I've been seeing ads for binoculars and Sony DSLR cameras here on AstroBin during this experiment. Most of them are actually targeted to the user, and not the site.

- Lite and Premium users will see only ads that are directly related to astronomy (telescopes, CCDs, etc) that I personally sell and approve the graphics one by one.

- Hopefully mid next year there will be an AstroBin Premium Plus account, as already announced and discussed in the beginning of 2018, with a few additional features.

As you perfectly understood, all I'm trying to do is make it so I can work on AstroBin full time so I can improve it to the next level! I can only work around 4-8 hours a week on it, right now, and that includes user support, system maintenance, sales, tax filing, etc. I probably only get to do 2-4 hours of actual coding features and fixing bugs each week, and this site deserves more smile
dakloifarwa
30 Nov, 2018 00:23
Salvatore Iovene
- Lite and Premium users will see only ads that are directly related to astronomy (telescopes, CCDs, etc) that I personally sell and approve the graphics one by one.

 I'm not a friend of ads when I already use a paid service. Better you additionally charge 1$ per month to avoid another annoying ads.

Salvatore Iovene
I can only work around 4-8 hours a week on it

At the moment I'm not planning to renew my Premium account. Why?
I really love the idea of AB and the realisation of it, but as mentioned above: I guess a lot of AB users have signed a paid subscription, so you should already be able to spend much more time to implement new features and other stuff. A lot of features have been in the pipeline for years now, without becoming available.

My suggestion is, once again, to find a solution for a vivid AB developer/contributor community Ă  la Wikipedia with you, Salvatore as the central coordinator. This could allow for a long-term availability of AB and much more coding-time per week in total smile
Edited 30 Nov, 2018 00:50
siovene
30 Nov, 2018 07:25
Andreas Dietz
I'm not a friend of ads when I already use a paid service. Better you additionally charge 1$ per month to avoid another annoying ads.

That would be a 33% increase in price. I'm pretty sure most people would disagree with you on that one.

Andreas Dietz
I guess a lot of AB users have signed a paid subscription, so you should already be able to spend much more time to implement new features and other stuff.

It's not so simple. No matter how many people sign up, there is still 24 hours in a day. Until I can quit my job to focus 100% on AstroBin, I simply cannot work any more hours. I already sacrifice sleep and social life, and schedule my life by the minute, to be able to do as much as I do. If we get to a point where AstroBin can replace my day job, then we instantly go from 4-8 hours a week to 40+.

Andreas Dietz
My suggestion is, once again, to find a solution for a vivid AB developer/contributor community

I have tried that. I made AstroBin open source may years ago, and I've made it relatively easy to install and start contributing. I also have reminded the community many times about it, but I guess there is not much overlap in the community or enough will? I did receive a few small contributions but nothing major.

Andreas Dietz
This could allow for a long-term availability of AB

Absolutely. AstroBin absolutely suffers from the "bus problem". Eventually I should really setup a contingency plan for the continuation of AstroBin should something happen to me…
Gotthard
yesterday, 14:24
Hi Salvatore … I am permanently DISTURBED by this horrible top-placed PR-Banner. I can't see the main content without scrolling down! And it is not possible to stopp that terror. Please kill that add! Gotthard
siovene
yesterday, 14:32
Agreed Gotthard, I will remove the top one and focus on using the space on the sides.
Gotthard
yesterday, 15:06
… Hi Salvatore … first: ooooopss … I didn't recognize, that my membership had expired … so I send the money for the next year now per PayPal! That meant also that I had to see the horrible banner as a free member. One short wish: perhaps you can implement an automatically sent hint 3 days before the expiration happens.

It's a good idea to place that on the sides. I often invite non-Members to visit astrobin … and the top banner could irritate them too … while they should feel to be really welcome!

But sorry … never will happen again! smile

Gotthard
Edited yesterday, 15:08
siovene
yesterday, 15:38
Hi Gotthard, thanks for renewing your membership! I do have an automated process that sends a reminder email 7 days before expiry, can you check your spam folder?
zl4plm
today, 02:37
a word of warning …… be prepared for ads to blow up in your face.

36 USD is already enough for what I get out of AB - I can quite easily live without it.

when ad's appear in my premium account it won't be renewed and I will revert to post on my FB group pages or own ad free astro society pages.

I suspect a large portion will do the same …. be warned!

Better to find help and share the load!
 
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