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I agree

IOTD and Top Picks Manifesto

jeffbax
28 Feb, 2018 20:19
Close it my friend. And let astronomy take place smile

JF
rob77
28 Feb, 2018 20:23
agreed
patrickgilliland
28 Feb, 2018 20:30
Salvatore Iovene
So, I move that I close this topic. Anyone opposed, please argument.
No issues here.
Good debate - I almost enjoyed it  smile
RRBBarbosa
28 Feb, 2018 21:15
Agreed. Let us know the results of the survey.
siovene
28 Feb, 2018 21:18
Alright, seems like most of the engaged parties agree. Get in touch via PM if you want this reopened for some reason.

I will close the survey on Friday and publish the results and my course of action during the weekend.
siovene
21 May, 2018 20:09
Hi all,
reopening this thread to announce that I did finally add categories for the source of the data that make an image. Please read more here:
https://www.astrobin.com/forum/c/astrobin/annoucements/astrobin-release-v1210/?page=1#post-11336
rob77
21 May, 2018 20:13
first ^_^
2ghouls
21 May, 2018 21:14
Salvatore Iovene
I did finally add categories for the source of the data that make an image

Maybe we could come up with definitions for these categories in this thread? I know they may seem obvious, but I actually had some confusion myself when trying to choose categories for my own images.

One of the categories that I think may trip people up is: Other- Mix of Multiple Sources.  I will often collect some data from my backyard (Bortle 8 ) and then some data at a slightly darker site (Bortle 6) 30 miles away. Would I call that "Other- Mix of Multiple Sources" or just pick backyard or traveller based on which site contributed more to the photo? I think Other- Mix of Multiple Sources might suggest to some people that the image is a mix of Self-acquired data with downloaded data, when in my case it's really just a mix of two subcategories in the Self acquired section. Am I overthinking this?  smile

I also have access to an amateur observatory owned by the club where I am a member. If I go there and run an imaging session in person, would that be Self-acquired: traveller or Other: None of the above?
Edited 21 May, 2018 21:14
Sky-Jennersdorf
22 May, 2018 07:23
Salvatore Iovene
Hi all,reopening this thread to announce that I did finally add categories for the source of the data that make an image. Please read more here:
https://www.astrobin.com/forum/c/astrobin/annoucements/astrobin-release-v1210/?page=1#post-11336

Wuhuuu….so, do those categories include "selfmade" and "downloaded-remote"?

best regards
siovene
22 May, 2018 09:52
joelkuiper
22 May, 2018 11:20
Looks good to me, but I guess it depends on how the data is used to weigh various contests smile
I've went ahead and classified my astro images smile lets see how this pans out
Sky-Jennersdorf
22 May, 2018 12:35
Great Salvatore!

smile
morefield
23 May, 2018 01:16
I lease pier space at SRO and maintain and operate my own scope - That's "own remote observatory" I think.   Correct?

Kevin
RickS
23 May, 2018 02:00
Is there a way to distinguish between a small group sharing a remote observatory (and running the equipment, choosing targets exposure strategy, composition, etc) vs purchased data from a subscription to a hosted scope?  Seems to me there is a qualitative difference between these scenarios.

Thanks,
Rick.
2ghouls
23 May, 2018 02:27
Here is a first go at definitions.

Self acquired
Backyard: you have acquired the data from the property where you live with gear that you maintain and operate
Traveller: you have acquired the data by travelling somewhere (dark site, star party, etc.) with gear that you maintain and operate
Own remote observatory: you have acquired the data from a remote observatory (not on the property where you live) with gear that you maintain and operate

Downloaded
Amateur hosting facility: you have acquired the data from an observatory with gear that you do NOT maintain and operate
Public amateur data: you have acquired the data from another user, amateur data pool, online forum, etc.
Professional, scientific grade data: you have acquired the data from a professional observatory, space telescope, or other professional source that is not covered by the other other two categories in "downloaded"

Other
Mix of multiple sources: you have acquired the data from multiple sources (for instance: amateur hosting facility AND backyard)
None of the above: you have acquired the data from a source that does not seem to fit in any of the other categories
Unknown: you do not know where the data came from

And just to repeat my questions from above, since I think they will matter once contests and such are based on these categories:
1. If an image is 70% backyard (subs from my actual backyard) and 30% traveller (subs from a nearby dark-ish site), would I categorize that as backyard or "Mix of multiple sources"?
2. What about in-person, club gear that you operate (and help maintain)? Would that be traveller or none of the above?

Kevin Morefield
I lease pier space at SRO and maintain and operate my own scope - That's "own remote observatory" I think.   Correct?

Kevin

Yes. That is my reading.
2ghouls
23 May, 2018 02:52
Rick Stevenson
Is there a way to distinguish between a small group sharing a remote observatory (and running the equipment, choosing targets exposure strategy, composition, etc) vs purchased data from a subscription to a hosted scope?  Seems to me there is a qualitative difference between these scenarios.Thanks,
Rick.
I think the correct category in that case would be: Self acquired: Own remote observatory. But I acknowledge that this is tricky as subscriptions to hosted scopes often offer the kinds of things you mention (choosing targets, exposure strategy, composition) as well.
siovene
23 May, 2018 05:46
Please Rocha’s Ed data counts as downloaded from amateur hosting facility (eg DSW). It’s not an own remote observatory because you don’t own the equipment.

Thanks Nico for the definitions, they are correct!
RandalHealey
23 May, 2018 21:49

Salvatore, thanks for your work on this.

It has has been a long and intriguing thread to follow and a very fascinating case study, not in astroimaging or astronomy, but in psychology.  In the end, I'm just greatful for Astrobin as a place to learn and grow, in this hobby that I love, from so many wonderful astroimagers.
carastro
24 May, 2018 09:39
So is this just a means of categorizing uploaded images, or are there after all going to be different IOD categories?

As regards categories I think the most important aspect is whether you captured the data yourself or whether you processed from already captured data.

I would like to see the darkness of the location the data was captured in on all images, so when I look at an awesome image, I can see what can be achieved in various locations.

Carole
Edited 24 May, 2018 09:39
AtmosFearIC
24 May, 2018 10:21
I wouldn’t have any idea how bright my suburban backyard or dark my dark site is :/
TareqPhoto
24 May, 2018 13:19
I couldn't read the whole posts/discussions here, but i can say that Astrobin was or is the main reason i got into astronomy, i called it my astrophotography home, in fact i use it as reference for any equipment i look for, although the search method here is a night mare and still not reliable, but i can't spend one day reading about astro without coming here.

about pick and reward here, i can't comment because i am new here, but even i am new here i also think about the systematic of picking here, it reminds me of a site of photography i was a member there, they have very strict rules, i remember reading something from there saying that "Even if you image won an international prize or among top 10 best in the world it doesn't mean it will be selected here as top choice or editors choice", this statement put me in awe like for weeks, it is like the choice is up to admins minds or moods, and they have their own rules for selecting, so they can be different than juries or judgments in big photography events, so i don't want this kind of method being here as well, and i know the nice hard working astro images deserve to be recognized here, it is no much frustration than seeing a photo that is really nice but done in very professional environment getting all the whistles while we are struggling with cheaper equipment in LP environment for example doing our best to have good images and yet they aren't selected, but i feel it is more about if the judges here are enough numbers to filters/watch all images so they know the details and know how to choose, as for example i post 20 images of my best done at difficult situations and none are selected while someone getting selected more than once in 1 week or so even if his images are better, there should be kind of the hard work appreciation, and i don't mean processing, someone spending 30 minutes outside to take pics and then spending 10 hours in processing and keep saying i spend very long time while someone spent maybe 10 hours for example outside but he is skilled enough so he take maybe 1 hour or less to process an image or 2 to produce as same or similar, sure there are many things out there, i enjoy looking at all images even the low quality ones, because i learn also from that, and i also trying my best to make my images as good but i am new so i have time, but hope once i reach that level one day then it gets better here.

And thanks for this site, i like the dark style here, very comfortable or relief to my eye, i like the grey color, don't change it if you upgrade the site one day, but please improve the searching method here, or even the equipment naming, and i also hope if you can add something in searching options so that if we type an item we can have an option to choose only IOTD or Top picks  to see the best of the item, and sometimes if i want to move to next pages of search of an item it doesn't go and stop search, so look for that too.
morefield
25 May, 2018 00:39
Colin
I wouldn’t have any idea how bright my suburban backyard or dark my dark site is :/

Go here and zoom in on your location:
http://darksitefinder.com/maps/world.html
rob77
26 May, 2018 14:42
Just 2 questions.

A. Why this image https://www.astrobin.com/348372/B/?nc=user is not set as downloaded data ?
As far as I know Rokinon 135mm at DSW = Downloaded data. Or am I wrong?

B. Why this image https://www.astrobin.com/348209/D/  is set as "Own remote observatory".
If you visit the DSW site, RH305 + SBIG STX-16803 + A-P 1600 is operated BY DSW team and not by the users.
Am I wrong again?

https://s33.postimg.cc/v1u692dz3/DSW.jpg

BTW: I would remove "Unknown" as choice.

Cheers
Edited 26 May, 2018 14:54
AtmosFearIC
26 May, 2018 15:06
Kevin Morefield
Go here and zoom in on your location:http://darksitefinder.com/maps/world.html
If 1 is Bright and 15 is Dark, my dark site comes in at a 13. What that means in terms of SQM or anything, I couldn't find much on the site.
I have been to a true dark site a few months back and after spending three nights there I spent a night at Heathcote and the skies looked like dirty mud haha
AtmosFearIC
26 May, 2018 15:07
Roberto Colombari
A. Why this image https://www.astrobin.com/348372/B/?nc=user is not set as downloaded data ?As far as I know Rokinon 135mm at DSW = Downloaded data. Or am I wrong?
Unknown is the default if someone hasn't gone back and changed the info since the update. Or if it is more recently uploaded they just didn't do that box.
 
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