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Likes

RAD
11 Jun, 2019 20:45
Likes are often based on nothing more than nothing more than popularity.  All images posted to the forum should be done so anonymously for the first week. Astrophotographers rankings should be based on these blind likes.  All to often I find examples of images that get 2-300 likes that are not as good as, or only marginally better than images of the same target that get 40-60 likes.

I have a plethora of examples that I would like to post here (if that is even possible) but I would want them to be posted in blind fashion.  No need for names to be visible.
Rodd

As far as comments like "forget about likes..do it for enjoyment" or comments in that vein…..sure, lets just do away with likes altogether.  Or better yet, lets find a better way of roughly judging the quality of an image.
Ethan
11 Jun, 2019 21:39
Rodd Dryfoos
All images posted to the forum should be done so anonymously for the first week.

This will not work because of watermarks.

Besides, a few times now I have traded emails with other planetary imagers regarding their images here on AstroBin, most recently regarding the Great Red Spot. If this system could be implemented, it would make that sort of work harder for us.

Next time Salvatore has the time to work on a major part of the site, I’d rather it be something new and useful (some ideas: bulk editing, uploading capture logs to fill in details automatically), or overhauling an older feature (gear needs it). Hiding likes and user names can be done easily with a capable ad/content blocker.

—Ethan
RAD
11 Jun, 2019 23:03
Ethan & Geo Chappel
Rodd Dryfoos
All images posted to the forum should be done so anonymously for the first week.
This will not work because of watermarks.

Besides, a few times now I have traded emails with other planetary imagers regarding their images here on AstroBin, most recently regarding the Great Red Spot. If this system could be implemented, it would make that sort of work harder for us.

Next time Salvatore has the time to work on a major part of the site, I’d rather it be something new and useful (some ideas: bulk editing, uploading capture logs to fill in details automatically), or overhauling an older feature (gear needs it). Hiding likes and user names can be done easily with a capable ad/content blocker.

—Ethan
  I don't think it would be a problem at all–it would only be for a week.  And it would not have anything to do with private messaging.
morefield
12 Jun, 2019 03:08
Rod,

Likes counts don’t imply quality.  And they are not used for Top Pick or IOTD awards.  They are used for the imager’s score though.

Most likes initially come from followers who receive notifications when someone they follow posts an image.  After that they tend to come from the main feed - this is because a like or comment pushes the image to the top of the feed and this more people see it.

I have found that the like counts rise as you are around for longer, put out consistent quality images, and thus get more people who want to follow.
RAD
12 Jun, 2019 09:31
Kevin Morefield
Rod,Likes counts don’t imply quality.  And they are not used for Top Pick or IOTD awards.  They are used for the imager’s score though.

Most likes initially come from followers who receive notifications when someone they follow posts an image.  After that they tend to come from the main feed - this is because a like or comment pushes the image to the top of the feed and this more people see it.

I have found that the like counts rise as you are around for longer, put out consistent quality images, and thus get more people who want to follow.
  What is the main "feed"?
Rodd
Andys_Astropix
12 Jun, 2019 11:34
Kevin is correct in all of his points ^.
However I find it remarkable that Rodd claims to have many examples of images that have received less likes than others - but in his opinion are far better than those.
I’m sorry but unless you have prior judging experience and/or evidence to back that claim, that statement just sounds like sour grapes to me smile
Edited 12 Jun, 2019 11:37
khrrugh
12 Jun, 2019 12:03
Rodd Dryfoos
All to often I find examples of images that get 2-300 likes that are not as good as, or only marginally better than images of the same target that get 40-60 likes.

I am not sure if i understand you correctly. In my opinion this site is about collaboration, networking and learning together and not about competition. I can like an image for hundreds of reasons - to be a "good" image (what exactly is a "good" image?) is maybe one of these reasons, but there are sooo many other reasons i would like an image. The competition part is maybe realised by the IOTD (and we don't want to start antoher thread about this theme, right?  smile ).

Rodd Dryfoos
Or better yet, lets find a better way of roughly judging the quality of an image.
I believe you misinterpret the term 'like'. The number of likes says nothing about the "quality" of the image - it just says that the liking people - well - LIKE the image for what reason ever. Maybe they want to encourage a young beginner to go on, or they like the story behind the image, or they want to reward all the effort put into the processing part of the image, or they simply are good friends, or they like some specific technical issue in this image, or they are stunned by an astronomical object they have never seen before… or whatever. You see the point i want to make?
RAD
12 Jun, 2019 12:07
Andys Astro
Kevin is correct in all of his points ^.However I find it remarkable that Rodd claims to have many examples of images that have received less likes than others - but in his opinion are far better than those.
I’m sorry but unless you have prior judging experience and/or evidence to back that claim, that statement just sounds like sour grapes to me smile
  Plenty of evidence. How about this one
https://www.astrobin.com/279779/B/?nc=

Vs

https://www.astrobin.com/399286/BG/?nc=user
RAD
12 Jun, 2019 12:12
Or this one

https://www.astrobin.com/375326/CD/?nc=user

Vs

https://www.astrobin.com/238558/0/?nc=user
RAD
12 Jun, 2019 12:28
or this

https://cdn.astrobin.com/images/thumbs/bcad05c6a9bb7cf5646c53cbc50aed96.1824x0_q100_watermark.jpg
vs
https://cdn.astrobin.com/thumbs/RF29zwhZ0LNQ_1824x0_wmhqkGbg.jpg
RAD
12 Jun, 2019 12:35
or
https://cdn.astrobin.com/thumbs/NaiukLdpp1N5_1824x0_wmhqkGbg.jpg

vs
https://cdn.astrobin.com/thumbs/L15BpuU2z6V9_1824x0_e6K-B2rB.jpg

Maybe better—but not 6x better
khrrugh
12 Jun, 2019 13:11
Rodd Dryfoos
Maybe better—but not 6x better

Like i wrote - likes don't have anything to do with something like "better".
pricech44
12 Jun, 2019 13:25
If I can be so bold as to write this. I thought this site was a place to upload your Astro photos. I have been on this site for 4 years and never received a top pick or image of the day. I could care less about likes or top pics I only care about my photography. I care about learning new techniques and enjoying looking at other images.  If your here to get a metal for your efforts then your in this for the wrong reason. Who cares who likes your images as long as YOU like your images. Please people stop being so shallow and enjoy your art.

CS TO ALL enjoy the fact that you are able to take fantastic images that will be hanging on the wall of your great grandchildren one day with or without LIKES

Chris
RAD
12 Jun, 2019 13:32
Chris Price
If I can be so bold as to write this. I thought this site was a place to upload your Astro photos. I have been on this site for 4 years and never received a top pick or image of the day. I could care less about likes or top pics I only care about my photography. I care about learning new techniques and enjoying looking at other images.  If your here to get a metal for your efforts then your in this for the wrong reason. Who cares who likes your images as long as YOU like your images. Please people stop being so shallow and enjoy your art.CS TO ALL enjoy the fact that you are able to take fantastic images that will be hanging on the wall of your great grandchildren one day with or without LIKES

Chris

Then let us do away with likes entirely.  If they have no meaning…….
RAD
12 Jun, 2019 13:33
Michael Timm
Rodd Dryfoos
Maybe better—but not 6x better
Like i wrote - likes don't have anything to do with something like "better".
  I disagree.
morefield
12 Jun, 2019 13:44
Rodd Dryfoos
What is the main "feed"?

if you are on the Home, what I call the main feed are the images immediately below the five forum topics.  These are always in order of the most recent activity which is usually a like.
khrrugh
12 Jun, 2019 13:45
Rodd Dryfoos
I disagree.

You may, but your opinion will not change the way people will use the "like" button.
RAD
12 Jun, 2019 13:50
Michael Timm
Rodd Dryfoos
I disagree.
You may, but your opinion will not change the way people will use the "like" button.
Michael Timm
Rodd Dryfoos
I disagree.

You may, but your opinion will not change the way people will use the "like" button.
  If opinions do not stimulate change, than nothing would ever change and there would be no progress in the world
Jean-Baptiste_Paris
12 Jun, 2019 14:58
Hi Rodd,

I think that your starting postulate is not necessarily true : do people have "likes" because they are popular, or are they popular because they received lots of "likes" ? smile

I don't think that abolishing "likes" for everybody is a good answer to only few's frustration (legitimate or not) of not receiving enought likes on each image…

I also agree with what has been said hereinabove : most of people are here for sharing but don't really pay attention to the number of likes they receive.

As far as I am concerned, I really enjoy to "like" the new images of my friends (and others…smile here on Astrobin ! So I just can't imagine to "anonymize" the images for the sole purpose of exacerbating the competition aspect of the site…

Besides the fact that it would be very little convival, it would be mostly useless since most of users also publish their images on forums and social networks in the same time… including with links to their image on AB ! So it would be very easy for anyone to find out the author of an image.

In reality, such a measure would only strengthen the link between "likes" and "popularity" that you denounce; since it would be easier for those who have a lot of followers on social networks to share their AB image to a large community and so to bypass the anonymization…

As a reviewer, I can say that I never take a look a the number of likes of an image to make a choice, no more than I take the identity of the author in consideration during the IOTD process.

Jb

PS : your gallery has plenty of great images ; I have to admit I don't understand the reason why you receive so little "likes"…
Edited 12 Jun, 2019 15:04
RAD
12 Jun, 2019 15:08
Jean-Baptiste Auroux
PS : your gallery has plenty of great images ; I have to admit I don't understand the reason why you receive so little "likes"…

smile
khrrugh
12 Jun, 2019 16:07
Jean-Baptiste Auroux
PS : your gallery has plenty of great images ; I have to admit I don't understand the reason why you receive so little "likes"…

You are right, Rodd has a lot of really great images. It is a pleasure viewing them and one can really see the effort put into that images.

I can only speak for myself and answer your question: I will nearly never like an image without the basic technical information given in the proper form (and that means: not in the description but in the proper database fields). This is the feature that brought me here and it is - for me - most important. It separates AstroBin from any other platform (like Instagram or whatever). I must admit that even my basic search won't show me any of Rodds images (i always use the "Minimum Data" filter) - even if i search for him directly.
RAD
12 Jun, 2019 16:22
Michael Timm
Jean-Baptiste Auroux
PS : your gallery has plenty of great images ; I have to admit I don't understand the reason why you receive so little "likes"…
You are right, Rodd has a lot of really great images. It is a pleasure viewing them and one can really see the effort put into that images.

I can only speak for myself and answer your question: I will nearly never like an image without the basic technical information given in the proper form (and that means: not in the description but in the proper database fields). This is the feature that brought me here and it is - for me - most important. It separates AstroBin from any other platform (like Instagram or whatever). I must admit that even my basic search won't show me any of Rodds images (i always use the "Minimum Data" filter) - even if i search for him directly.
I populated my equipment sections and all that–it just seems so much easier use the description section.  It seems faster–maybe that is an illusion.  I will say that when ever I do a search, for example I look for M1s or M20s, the images that come up to look at rarely have what filters were used, what scopes were used, etc.  I have always wondered why.
Jean-Baptiste_Paris
12 Jun, 2019 16:39
Michael Timm
I can only speak for myself and answer your question: I will nearly never like an image without the basic technical information given in the proper form (and that means: not in the description but in the proper database fields). This is the feature that brought me here and it is - for me - most important. It separates AstroBin from any other platform (like Instagram or whatever). I must admit that even my basic search won't show me any of Rodds images (i always use the "Minimum Data" filter) - even if i search for him directly.

+1, same for me…

Maybe a beginning of answer ? smile

Another possibility is the great difference between your number of followers (101) and the number of people you follow yourself (5)…
Of course, there is no correlation between the number of people you follow and the number of likes you give to the others… but as long as you are not notified when they publish an image, there is a great probability you don't like images in return… and maybe you don't even see any of them…

I don't give importance to this aspect personnaly, but I have found out durinig all those years on AB that many people interact on this "giving-giving" basis…

Maybe it's sad or something, but most of the time you have to give to receive back…

JB
RAD
12 Jun, 2019 16:43
Jean-Baptiste Auroux
but most of the time you have to give to receive back…
   This is probably true.
carastro
12 Jun, 2019 21:45
I think there is a definite correlation to how many people you in turn follow as to how many likes you get.  I have been on here for 7 years (I notice Rodd just over 2 years) and it has taken me a long time to build up a reasonable following.  It could be that some-one with better images than mine would pick up a following more quickly of course.

I also did not actively follow many other people, but used to scroll through the global stream every day and like the ones that I liked.  But I decided to change tack earlier this year and actually went from following about 5 people to following 126 people and I have found that my like rate has increased, and my index has gone up much more quickly, probably because I am liking more images than I used to (as many passed me by in the global stream).  I have also gained extra followers since following more people as well.

I would also like to agree with some of the comments above, that putting the information into the actual categories rather than just in the description will help get likes and come up in searches.  I agree it is easier to put it in the description though.

Carole
Edited 12 Jun, 2019 21:45
 
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