What are your thoughts on enforcing equipment and acquisition details on images?

Ethan
23 Mar, 2018 00:55
I don't think we should be requiring people to provide any details, but I think we should instead allow users to easily filter out any images that lack information of the user's choice anywhere on the website if they desire. It could double as an incentive for people to include more information because any unfilled info would lead to less exposure to other users that would enable filters.

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–Ethan
Edited 23 Mar, 2018 00:55
AMultiverse
23 Mar, 2018 02:49
I like Ethan's suggestion. Instead of trying to control people, give people more control.
carastro
23 Mar, 2018 12:19
For me - putting the details in the description is far easier than filling in the various forms.  But I guess this doesn't assist with "searches".

Or does it?

Is it possible to "search" only images with details attached/included, this would save a lot of frustration?

Carole
Bluesky71
23 Mar, 2018 12:35
Personally speaking, it is indifferent to see details in the Astrobin technical card rather than in the description section, I prefer anyway Astrobin technical card as it is more clear and easy to be read.
I agree that we can't oblige people to put technical details of the photo, even if for me it is a "nonsense" propose an image without any data (I'm speaking about scope used, ccd etc., not a description of the object photographed).
But yes, I think it would be nice to have the possibility to filter the images without any data when I do a search in Astrobin.
Lasastard
23 Mar, 2018 13:19
I would prefer that at least some basic information be mandatory for submission - say : optics, camera, number of subs and exposure lengths

Astrophotography is, after all, a fairly technical hobby. So it makes sense to me that when sharing the results, that some technical detail is available for me to judge and compare (for example to my own efforts).
tphelan88
23 Mar, 2018 13:42
Yes, Marc. Finally someone else agrees with me. Unfortunately I see that I am in the vast minority on this issue. I wish people would stop looking at it in terms of coercion or control. From Astrobin's own "About" page:

"On a general purpose image sharing site, you would upload your image and be done with it.¬†AstroBin, instead, has a user interface specifically designed to enable you to input all the technical data of your image…Have you ever wanted to see how your next image is going to look like? On¬†AstroBin, you can search for all images of a certain target that were taken with a certain telescope and a certain CCD or camera. Or a certain filter. How about all the images between 6 and 8 hours of integration? Or with a certain Moon phase? You can do that!…As you have undoubtly realized by now,¬†AstroBin¬†is way more than an image hosting service."

If acquisition data is voluntary then why even post images here? You're not taking advantage of the full capabilities of the website? You might as well ditch Astrobin and post to a free image hosting website. The sole reason I post my images on Astrobin instead of Imgur, Flickr, and others is specifically because I can log all the technical data. It is too robust a platform to not take advantage of its full capabilities. Like Marc said above, if I were running the website I would require the following fields on each image submission:  imaging telescope/lens, camera, mount, number of subs, exposure length, and number of calibration frames (darks, bias, flats, dark flats). I don't want to control your lives, I want this community to be more robust.
jtrezzo
24 Mar, 2018 21:10
It's just pure laziness to not put the image details in. A huge part of what makes this site so useful is being able to see the details. I am always turned off when I see an image with nothing. I don't necessarily think it should be mandatory, but I think the "minor penalties" idea i.e. images only appearing in a user's gallery, is not a bad one.
carl0s
25 Mar, 2018 00:19
1.)  Enforcing is always bad. People have stated good reasons against it already.
2.)  Also , a coercive "solution" can be circumvented easily by entering some fake data.  Nothing is gained here with an exception of additional buerocracy.

I'm trying to add data when I'm posting something and I also encourage people to do so. But  please don't project your expectations on other people, don't call them lazy etc. They have their reasons for adding or not adding the tech info. That's their good right. We shouldn't judge them by not filling a crappy web formular. Let them do astrophotography.

Also , good astrophotographers here, usually include all info one want to know. So if someone want to learn something about their equipment, he will find this info easily.

So yes, global stream filters, filters and improved search quality is the way to go, but not coercion through web formulars

clear sky  smilesmilesmile
AMultiverse
25 Mar, 2018 02:13
Given that Salvatore trying to make a living doing this, I think that he should check to see what percentage of paying customers fill out the technical information. I don't think he should tell us what he finds. However, whatever the results, it should help guide him in making his final decisions. We can argue all we want about different ideologies, but he has to be practical.
MikeF29
26 Mar, 2018 03:32
Salvatore, you can’t be all things to all people. I think the site is really great as is.

As a noob, I learn a lot from those that share their information and I really appreciate
those that do.

But in my humble opinion, it would be a terrible idea to force people to share that stuff. That would be like ¬†old style Communism, lol…

i like to to share and help people when I can. Seems like a lot of your members do too. But then, some don’t and I guess that’s ok with me.
yeb
26 Mar, 2018 04:54
Hi Salvatore,

I totally agree that acquisition details is a key feature of Astrobin and that people should be strongly encouraged to fill this useful metadata.
Maybe "likes" mechanism on the image should be locked until minimum details are filled. Alert the user if his image will not be likable.
But images should always be visible, searchable, followers notified and even IOTD selectable.

Anyway, this place is a gem, it is incredibly useful and pleasant for astophotographers.
Edited 26 Mar, 2018 09:13
carlocolombo
26 Mar, 2018 08:07
personalmente ritengo molto interessante sapere¬† come si sono ottenuti i risultati delle immagini che vengono esposte, perch√©¬† in questo modo posso sapere che livello ho raggiunto con le mie immagini, e valutare se posso fare meglio, inoltre mi rendo conto attraverso molte¬† per me nuove¬† immagini, delle assolute novit√†, che non ho mai visto,¬† mi viene anche in aiuto la strumentazione, di cui non ne conosco l'esistenza,¬† ¬†e posso sempre valutare quello che si pu√≤ fare, con diverse strumentazioni, per finire sono molto curioso, e cerco sempre nuovi soggetti da fotografare, quindi la mia opinione √® che ognuno √® libero di fare come vuole,¬† anche di far parte di ASTROBIN,¬† ma come √® giusto avr√†,…. quello che lui d'ar√†
carlocolombo
26 Mar, 2018 08:07
personalmente ritengo molto interessante sapere¬† come si sono ottenuti i risultati delle immagini che vengono esposte, perch√©¬† in questo modo posso sapere che livello ho raggiunto con le mie immagini, e valutare se posso fare meglio, inoltre mi rendo conto attraverso molte¬† per me nuove¬† immagini, delle assolute novit√†, che non ho mai visto,¬† mi viene anche in aiuto la strumentazione, di cui non ne conosco l'esistenza,¬† ¬†e posso sempre valutare quello che si pu√≤ fare, con diverse strumentazioni, per finire sono molto curioso, e cerco sempre nuovi soggetti da fotografare, quindi la mia opinione √® che ognuno √® libero di fare come vuole,¬† anche di far parte di ASTROBIN,¬† ma come √® giusto avr√†,…. quello che lui d'ar√†
dvdearden
26 Mar, 2018 16:09
I love seeing any details that are available; as many have said, one of the best things about this site is that it is data-driven, and I have learned a tremendous amount by seeing what kinds of equipment, exposures, and processing others are using. As one who is unlikely to ever get an image of the day, I don't care about that. I'm in the hobby because I enjoy it, I enjoy seeing others' beautiful work, and because I enjoy seeing my skills improve. I do like to see my index rise (and I'm not even sure why), however, so maybe extra "points" could be given for including information there.

David
 
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