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What are your thoughts on enforcing equipment and acquisition details on images?

siovene
18 Dec, 2018 10:19
Roberto Marinoni
so I would like to have a way to filterthose images.
You can do it in the new search page:

Add filter -> Minimum data ->
https://www.astrobin.com/search/?q=&d=i&t=all&minimum_data=t%2Cc%2Ca
pls1helix
24 Dec, 2018 03:51
Salvatore Iovene
A user recently emailed me proposing that image details should be enforced on AstroBin, i.e. you should not be able to upload an image unless you provide at least some details.On hand it makes sense, because a big part of why AstroBin was born, five years ago, was that I hated seeing all these amazing astrophotograph scattered around on the Internet, with no details because the images were hosted on general purpose hosting services and the details were maybe in a different context, like a forum.

On the other hand, enforcing the details would mean there's a barrier and some people would be less inclined to share their images.

What are your thoughts?

An image is more valuable to me if the exposure info, filters, subs etc. are listed.  I find some of the images are an example I would like to try to duplicate with my own equipment.  It is also nice to know what software was used. The more details that are listed the better for the rest of us.
Edited 24 Dec, 2018 03:52
carastro
24 Dec, 2018 12:42
I am afraid if no info is given on an image I don't "like it" as I have no idea what method and equipment was used to capture it and what challenges were involved.

I would like to see a tab for Bortle scale on images or SQM.  I see many lovely images on this site I try to emulate but have no idea how dim a target is and what sort of skies are needed to acquire such an image.

Carole
Edited 24 Dec, 2018 12:43
AMultiverse
24 Dec, 2018 18:51
I don't understand how to use the new search system. What is a filter? What are my choices? How do I enter a filter? Is there an instruction page? Can you put  a help button some where on the page?
siovene
24 Dec, 2018 19:31
Just try various things, it’s not like you break anything if you make a mistake 😁
carlocolombo
24 Dec, 2018 20:28
ritengo sia molto bello e sopratutto importante,  che ci siano quando è possibile dettagli sulle immagini astronomiche, questo denota generosità nei confronti di chi ha la nostra stessa passione, penso che le foto astronomiche diventino più importati quando si riesce anche con poca strumentazione, ad avere dei risultati.
esempio personalmente cerco continuamente nuovi soggetti,  resto molto contento quando posso arricchire il mio catalogo personale, e valuto i miei risultati con quelli di altri astro fotografi, ma sono anche convinto che non tutti abbiano il mio punto di vista, allora penso che costoro non devono avere degli obblighi, perché
l'importante e che ci sono anche loro, siamo tutti appassionati allo stesso modo. faccio i miei auguri a tutti  voi di ASTROBIN smile  c.colombo
Jkulin
28 Dec, 2018 00:47
Carastro
I am afraid if no info is given on an image I don't "like it" as I have no idea what method and equipment was used to capture it and what challenges were involved.
I have to agree with Carole.

I also feel that using a commercial remote observatory needs to be highlighted very clearly and to be judge independently. Nothing wrong with using a remote observatory, but those that do have a greater advantage than those that don't and can't compare from someone that produces an excellent image from a city against someone who produces an image from a dark commercial remote site.

Just my opinion but if people don't complete all the fields then they should be excluded from judging.
clangorous
12 Mar, 2019 01:21
I would love to add my gear details, however the page seems broken as there is no "+" sign for me to add an entry. I'm using Firefox and it must not be compatible with the page for some reason. If there are browser settings I can tweak I'd love to know that.
BruceG
12 Mar, 2019 04:29
If I see no acquisition details it never gets a like from me. Astrobin was my guide to starting out with astrophotography, allowing me to get a starting point for dslr exposure.
just my 2cents worth.
siovene
12 Mar, 2019 06:39
clangorous
I would love to add my gear details, however the page seems broken as there is no "+" sign for me to add an entry. I'm using Firefox and it must not be compatible with the page for some reason. If there are browser settings I can tweak I'd love to know that.
Hi, you need to add your gear to your profile first.
luigifontana
12 Mar, 2019 08:27
IMHO a possible solution would be that only images with AT LEAST data source and instrument are eligible for image of the day.
Jkulin
12 Mar, 2019 08:52
Bruce Graham
If I see no acquisition details it never gets a like from me. Astrobin was my guide to starting out with astrophotography, allowing me to get a starting point for dslr exposure.just my 2cents worth.

I totally agree with Bruce, I know it is all down to people being honest, but if people can't publish their acquisition details then they should not be considered for any merit of that image.

On another point, what would stop someone trolling the net to find a beautiful image, grabbing it and then publishing without any details, I'm sure they would soon get sussed, but just a thought.

I love viewing Astrobin and looking at how people capture an image, I only wish that I had enough clear nights to be able to contribute more but over the last 6 months imaging hasn't gone my way. smile
gnomus
12 Mar, 2019 09:03
John Kulin
… On another point, what would stop someone trolling the net to find a beautiful image, grabbing it and then publishing without any details, I'm sure they would soon get sussed, but just a thought…
Nothing.  But then I don't see why the miscreant would be tripped up by the acquisition details then either - they could just make these up too.  I am pretty sure that the last time we had an attempt at plagiarism, the image was described as being 'Backyard' and came with the 'details'.
Jkulin
12 Mar, 2019 09:46
Steve Milne
John Kulin
… On another point, what would stop someone trolling the net to find a beautiful image, grabbing it and then publishing without any details, I'm sure they would soon get sussed, but just a thought…
Nothing.  But then I don't see why the miscreant would be tripped up by the acquisition details then either - they could just make these up too.  I am pretty sure that the last time we had an attempt at plagiarism, the image was described as being 'Backyard' and came with the 'details'.

I agree Steve, not sure how one can stop that, there's no financial gain, so it would just be down to an egomaniac or an idiot.
gnomus
12 Mar, 2019 09:49
John Kulin
Steve Milne
John Kulin
… On another point, what would stop someone trolling the net to find a beautiful image, grabbing it and then publishing without any details, I'm sure they would soon get sussed, but just a thought…
Nothing.  But then I don't see why the miscreant would be tripped up by the acquisition details then either - they could just make these up too.  I am pretty sure that the last time we had an attempt at plagiarism, the image was described as being 'Backyard' and came with the 'details'.
I agree Steve, not sure how one can stop that, there's no financial gain, so it would just be down to an egomaniac or an idiot.

Well, there’s no shortage of either commodity …  smile
Edited 12 Mar, 2019 10:52
carlocolombo
12 Mar, 2019 10:44
quando ero un bimbo a Milano se il cielo era sereno si vedeva bene quella striscia bianca luminosa che si chiama Via Lattea, quella era la mia televisione, quando esisteva a malapena la radio, poi intorno hai vent'anni qualcuno mi regalò un piccolo rifrattore D.50mm.f.600 e tutto ebbe inizio. mi comperai il mio primo telescopio  D.114  f.900 da  cominciai le prime osservazioni anche fuori dalla città, poi spesso al planetario mi accorsi che l'astronomia era la mia vera passione, nel 1984 sapendo che doveva tornare la halley mi misi in testa di fotografarla volevo che altri potessero vederla, al quel punto capii che volevo divulgare quello che la maggioranza della gente non vedrà mai. questo a parte la mia passione, è il vero motivo che mi spinge a fare foto astronomiche, pertanto non è comprensibile pubblicare immagini prive, di logiche informazioni, ASTROBIN ci mette in condizione farlo, non ci porta via le nostre foto, le divulga in modo eccellente.  quindi sono troppo belle per spiegarle e farle vedere?                                               (    quindi sempre grazie a Salvatore Iovene  )
Edited 12 Mar, 2019 10:47
clangorous
12 Mar, 2019 10:56
Salvatore Iovene
clangorous
I would love to add my gear details, however the page seems broken as there is no "+" sign for me to add an entry. I'm using Firefox and it must not be compatible with the page for some reason. If there are browser settings I can tweak I'd love to know that.
Hi, you need to add your gear to your profile first.

Ah I just sent a request for help on this because I did not see my comment posted or this answer. I think you could improve the "hit rate" for users adding gear and other details if this note was added to the gear tab! It's actually really frustrating trying to figure out basic things like this. Thank goodness for the forum! much appreciated for the help.
Gorkon
13 Mar, 2019 02:59
I'm guilty !!!  I have posted a few images without details.  I guess it didn't occur to me that anybody would care.  At the time, I didn't have remarkable equipment, and my images weren't that special.  The ones that I detailed were a few that I thought might arouse some interest.  I don't think a mandatory requirement will affect those with good equipment, but it might discourage some rookies.  I think the optional is best overall.
pls1helix
13 Mar, 2019 03:38
Agree that it should be optional but images with the details are much more useful!
whwang
13 Mar, 2019 04:09
Patrick stevenson
I'm guilty !!!  I have posted a few images without details.  I guess it didn't occur to me that anybody would care.  At the time, I didn't have remarkable equipment, and my images weren't that special.  The ones that I detailed were a few that I thought might arouse some interest.  I don't think a mandatory requirement will affect those with good equipment, but it might discourage some rookies.  I think the optional is best overall.
I think it is optional at this moment.  Those who select IOTDs are reluctant to select images without details, and this is totally reasonable.  However, just for uploading images to Astrobin, this should be always optional rather than forced.  Some people want to know about the technical details so they can learn something from it. It's fine. Some people simply want to enjoy/present the beauty of the universe without being bothered by technical details. That should be fine too. Astrophotography as a form of art, if it is, should allow freedom in the format of presentation.

An interesting case is this one:
https://www.bates.edu/museum/exhibitions/past-exhibitions/2012y/starstruck/
This exhibition wanted to introduce astrophotography to people as a form of fine art. If you walk in the exhibition, you will see that next to each picture, there is only title of the image, author name, and the material and method of printing. No telescope names, no camera names, no exposure length, nothing. It wanted to focus people's attention to the images themselves rather than worrying about how the images were created.  It's not the common way in astrophotography, and I am not encouraging my fellow astrophotographers to follow this, but I think this should at least be allowed rather than being forbidden.
 
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