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What are your thoughts on enforcing equipment and acquisition details on images?

siovene
18 Dec, 2018 10:19
Roberto Marinoni
so I would like to have a way to filterthose images.
You can do it in the new search page:

Add filter -> Minimum data ->
https://www.astrobin.com/search/?q=&d=i&t=all&minimum_data=t%2Cc%2Ca
pls1helix
24 Dec, 2018 03:51
Salvatore Iovene
A user recently emailed me proposing that image details should be enforced on AstroBin, i.e. you should not be able to upload an image unless you provide at least some details.On hand it makes sense, because a big part of why AstroBin was born, five years ago, was that I hated seeing all these amazing astrophotograph scattered around on the Internet, with no details because the images were hosted on general purpose hosting services and the details were maybe in a different context, like a forum.

On the other hand, enforcing the details would mean there's a barrier and some people would be less inclined to share their images.

What are your thoughts?

An image is more valuable to me if the exposure info, filters, subs etc. are listed.  I find some of the images are an example I would like to try to duplicate with my own equipment.  It is also nice to know what software was used. The more details that are listed the better for the rest of us.
Edited 24 Dec, 2018 03:52
carastro
24 Dec, 2018 12:42
I am afraid if no info is given on an image I don't "like it" as I have no idea what method and equipment was used to capture it and what challenges were involved.

I would like to see a tab for Bortle scale on images or SQM.  I see many lovely images on this site I try to emulate but have no idea how dim a target is and what sort of skies are needed to acquire such an image.

Carole
Edited 24 Dec, 2018 12:43
AMultiverse
24 Dec, 2018 18:51
I don't understand how to use the new search system. What is a filter? What are my choices? How do I enter a filter? Is there an instruction page? Can you put  a help button some where on the page?
siovene
24 Dec, 2018 19:31
Just try various things, it’s not like you break anything if you make a mistake 😁
carlocolombo
24 Dec, 2018 20:28
ritengo sia molto bello e sopratutto importante,  che ci siano quando è possibile dettagli sulle immagini astronomiche, questo denota generosità nei confronti di chi ha la nostra stessa passione, penso che le foto astronomiche diventino più importati quando si riesce anche con poca strumentazione, ad avere dei risultati.
esempio personalmente cerco continuamente nuovi soggetti,  resto molto contento quando posso arricchire il mio catalogo personale, e valuto i miei risultati con quelli di altri astro fotografi, ma sono anche convinto che non tutti abbiano il mio punto di vista, allora penso che costoro non devono avere degli obblighi, perché
l'importante e che ci sono anche loro, siamo tutti appassionati allo stesso modo. faccio i miei auguri a tutti  voi di ASTROBIN smile  c.colombo
Jkulin
28 Dec, 2018 00:47
Carastro
I am afraid if no info is given on an image I don't "like it" as I have no idea what method and equipment was used to capture it and what challenges were involved.
I have to agree with Carole.

I also feel that using a commercial remote observatory needs to be highlighted very clearly and to be judge independently. Nothing wrong with using a remote observatory, but those that do have a greater advantage than those that don't and can't compare from someone that produces an excellent image from a city against someone who produces an image from a dark commercial remote site.

Just my opinion but if people don't complete all the fields then they should be excluded from judging.
clangorous
12 Mar, 2019 01:21
I would love to add my gear details, however the page seems broken as there is no "+" sign for me to add an entry. I'm using Firefox and it must not be compatible with the page for some reason. If there are browser settings I can tweak I'd love to know that.
BruceG
12 Mar, 2019 04:29
If I see no acquisition details it never gets a like from me. Astrobin was my guide to starting out with astrophotography, allowing me to get a starting point for dslr exposure.
just my 2cents worth.
siovene
12 Mar, 2019 06:39
clangorous
I would love to add my gear details, however the page seems broken as there is no "+" sign for me to add an entry. I'm using Firefox and it must not be compatible with the page for some reason. If there are browser settings I can tweak I'd love to know that.
Hi, you need to add your gear to your profile first.
luigifontana
12 Mar, 2019 08:27
IMHO a possible solution would be that only images with AT LEAST data source and instrument are eligible for image of the day.
Jkulin
12 Mar, 2019 08:52
Bruce Graham
If I see no acquisition details it never gets a like from me. Astrobin was my guide to starting out with astrophotography, allowing me to get a starting point for dslr exposure.just my 2cents worth.

I totally agree with Bruce, I know it is all down to people being honest, but if people can't publish their acquisition details then they should not be considered for any merit of that image.

On another point, what would stop someone trolling the net to find a beautiful image, grabbing it and then publishing without any details, I'm sure they would soon get sussed, but just a thought.

I love viewing Astrobin and looking at how people capture an image, I only wish that I had enough clear nights to be able to contribute more but over the last 6 months imaging hasn't gone my way. smile
gnomus
12 Mar, 2019 09:03
John Kulin
… On another point, what would stop someone trolling the net to find a beautiful image, grabbing it and then publishing without any details, I'm sure they would soon get sussed, but just a thought…
Nothing.  But then I don't see why the miscreant would be tripped up by the acquisition details then either - they could just make these up too.  I am pretty sure that the last time we had an attempt at plagiarism, the image was described as being 'Backyard' and came with the 'details'.
Jkulin
12 Mar, 2019 09:46
Steve Milne
John Kulin
… On another point, what would stop someone trolling the net to find a beautiful image, grabbing it and then publishing without any details, I'm sure they would soon get sussed, but just a thought…
Nothing.  But then I don't see why the miscreant would be tripped up by the acquisition details then either - they could just make these up too.  I am pretty sure that the last time we had an attempt at plagiarism, the image was described as being 'Backyard' and came with the 'details'.

I agree Steve, not sure how one can stop that, there's no financial gain, so it would just be down to an egomaniac or an idiot.
gnomus
12 Mar, 2019 09:49
John Kulin
Steve Milne
John Kulin
… On another point, what would stop someone trolling the net to find a beautiful image, grabbing it and then publishing without any details, I'm sure they would soon get sussed, but just a thought…
Nothing.  But then I don't see why the miscreant would be tripped up by the acquisition details then either - they could just make these up too.  I am pretty sure that the last time we had an attempt at plagiarism, the image was described as being 'Backyard' and came with the 'details'.
I agree Steve, not sure how one can stop that, there's no financial gain, so it would just be down to an egomaniac or an idiot.

Well, there’s no shortage of either commodity …  smile
Edited 12 Mar, 2019 10:52
carlocolombo
12 Mar, 2019 10:44
quando ero un bimbo a Milano se il cielo era sereno si vedeva bene quella striscia bianca luminosa che si chiama Via Lattea, quella era la mia televisione, quando esisteva a malapena la radio, poi intorno hai vent'anni qualcuno mi regalò un piccolo rifrattore D.50mm.f.600 e tutto ebbe inizio. mi comperai il mio primo telescopio  D.114  f.900 da  cominciai le prime osservazioni anche fuori dalla città, poi spesso al planetario mi accorsi che l'astronomia era la mia vera passione, nel 1984 sapendo che doveva tornare la halley mi misi in testa di fotografarla volevo che altri potessero vederla, al quel punto capii che volevo divulgare quello che la maggioranza della gente non vedrà mai. questo a parte la mia passione, è il vero motivo che mi spinge a fare foto astronomiche, pertanto non è comprensibile pubblicare immagini prive, di logiche informazioni, ASTROBIN ci mette in condizione farlo, non ci porta via le nostre foto, le divulga in modo eccellente.  quindi sono troppo belle per spiegarle e farle vedere?                                               (    quindi sempre grazie a Salvatore Iovene  )
Edited 12 Mar, 2019 10:47
clangorous
12 Mar, 2019 10:56
Salvatore Iovene
clangorous
I would love to add my gear details, however the page seems broken as there is no "+" sign for me to add an entry. I'm using Firefox and it must not be compatible with the page for some reason. If there are browser settings I can tweak I'd love to know that.
Hi, you need to add your gear to your profile first.

Ah I just sent a request for help on this because I did not see my comment posted or this answer. I think you could improve the "hit rate" for users adding gear and other details if this note was added to the gear tab! It's actually really frustrating trying to figure out basic things like this. Thank goodness for the forum! much appreciated for the help.
Gorkon
13 Mar, 2019 02:59
I'm guilty !!!  I have posted a few images without details.  I guess it didn't occur to me that anybody would care.  At the time, I didn't have remarkable equipment, and my images weren't that special.  The ones that I detailed were a few that I thought might arouse some interest.  I don't think a mandatory requirement will affect those with good equipment, but it might discourage some rookies.  I think the optional is best overall.
pls1helix
13 Mar, 2019 03:38
Agree that it should be optional but images with the details are much more useful!
whwang
13 Mar, 2019 04:09
Patrick stevenson
I'm guilty !!!  I have posted a few images without details.  I guess it didn't occur to me that anybody would care.  At the time, I didn't have remarkable equipment, and my images weren't that special.  The ones that I detailed were a few that I thought might arouse some interest.  I don't think a mandatory requirement will affect those with good equipment, but it might discourage some rookies.  I think the optional is best overall.
I think it is optional at this moment.  Those who select IOTDs are reluctant to select images without details, and this is totally reasonable.  However, just for uploading images to Astrobin, this should be always optional rather than forced.  Some people want to know about the technical details so they can learn something from it. It's fine. Some people simply want to enjoy/present the beauty of the universe without being bothered by technical details. That should be fine too. Astrophotography as a form of art, if it is, should allow freedom in the format of presentation.

An interesting case is this one:
https://www.bates.edu/museum/exhibitions/past-exhibitions/2012y/starstruck/
This exhibition wanted to introduce astrophotography to people as a form of fine art. If you walk in the exhibition, you will see that next to each picture, there is only title of the image, author name, and the material and method of printing. No telescope names, no camera names, no exposure length, nothing. It wanted to focus people's attention to the images themselves rather than worrying about how the images were created.  It's not the common way in astrophotography, and I am not encouraging my fellow astrophotographers to follow this, but I think this should at least be allowed rather than being forbidden.
ODRedwine
11 Apr, 2019 21:52
I  seem to be in the minority, but I have a STRONG objection to posting any astrophoto anywhere without giving minimal details about how the image was obtained.  Scope, imaging camera, and total exposure time is the minimum data. Without that, it's just a pretty picture.
TareqPhoto
13 Apr, 2019 21:11
I can't be with any side, i only come here to see the equipment details so i can see the results, i always use the searching feature, and all the time when i look at IOD pics i always click to see the details, and it annoy me a lot if i see nothing there, and then i keep asking the posters about details, i know keeping it as optional is the way so all can post, but if there are more mods then they can politely ask posters if they can provide details, i know it will be a lot of work.

Another idea is, to make a clear announcement on the top asking people to provide details to help visitors or even members to see details for any purpose, i am sure many can read that and many will follow it, so it will reduce the number of images without details and also at the same time no enforcing.

Another idea, choose one of those IOD or even picks time to time and mentioned the details or equipment to show people how important or how it was done, so others may learn to add details too, i have to say it again that i come here mainly to know the results of equipment, so details for me are important, i always make this site as reference of any gear i talk about or mention elsewhere.
pls1helix
14 Apr, 2019 03:23
Salvatore Iovene
A user recently emailed me proposing that image details should be enforced on AstroBin, i.e. you should not be able to upload an image unless you provide at least some details.On hand it makes sense, because a big part of why AstroBin was born, five years ago, was that I hated seeing all these amazing astrophotograph scattered around on the Internet, with no details because the images were hosted on general purpose hosting services and the details were maybe in a different context, like a forum.

On the other hand, enforcing the details would mean there's a barrier and some people would be less inclined to share their images.

What are your thoughts?

I think details should be encouraged but not totally required - perhaps a minimum info requirement.  I look at images and want to know how they were aquired so I can improve my own images. smile
carastro
14 Apr, 2019 08:16
Reading Tareq's post, gave me a bit of a flash back.  In the early days of this website, I seem to recall getting messages to suggest I add details to my images, (in my defence this was in the early days for my imaging and the images weren't that great and I hadn't at that stage worked out how to do it anyway).

Maybe that polite reminder could be reinstated with a message saying how useful it is to others to see the details.

Carole
UlfG
22 Apr, 2019 09:22
Maybe this is slightly off topic, but apart from aqusition details, what about processing details…?
I recently looked around at the Reddit Astrophotography subsection, and forum rules there requires that
posts include both equipment details and a basic description of the processing procedure. I am not saying that this
should be an absolute requirement, but could the data entry forms perhaps be more helpful in encouraging entry of processing
details? The processing is also a very important part in the process, and just like equipment and exposure details can give a lot of help
to others viewing the images, processing details could do the same….
 
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