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(Cancelled) Rodd's Imaging Contest #1: Globular clusters (discussion thread)

RAD
28 Jun, 2019 19:38
Please post questions/comments regarding the contest on this trhead
Rodd
Edited 01 Jul, 2019 11:04
Snjór
28 Jun, 2019 20:08
I hope you inquire and ask for approval with Salvatore before post this, would be most impolite and not appropriate to turn Astrobin into own personal contest site without him being consulted and approve.

Based on past this seem very bad idea indeed and my preference would be Salvatore just close this idea off now.
SGL  have contests, if anyone can start AB contest in short time will be total chaos and cause more bad feelings.

Sigga
RAD
28 Jun, 2019 20:23
Ah–That's better.   Permit in hand.  Why not post and image and enjoy?
Rodd
RAD
28 Jun, 2019 20:24
Thanks Scott–and away we go.
Rodd
RAD
28 Jun, 2019 20:36
Sigga
to turn Astrobin into own personal contest site without him being consulted and approve.Based on past this seem very bad idea indeed and my preference would be Salvatore just close this idea off now.
SGL have contests, if anyone can start AB contest in short time will be total chaos and cause more bad feelings.
This is just another contest–just like any other contest on Astrobin,
open to all.  I don't see why there would be bad feelings associated
with this contest any more than any other contest.   I am not the
judge–no more than anyone else.  So its not my personal contest.  I am
just a contestant.  It is for everyone.
Rodd
Edited 28 Jun, 2019 20:37
Snjór
28 Jun, 2019 20:46
Rodd Dryfoos
Sigga
to turn Astrobin into own personal contest site without him being consulted and approve.Based on past this seem very bad idea indeed and my preference would be Salvatore just close this idea off now.SGL have contests, if anyone can start AB contest in short time will be total chaos and cause more bad feelings.
This is just another contest–just like any other contest on Astrobin,
open to all.  I don't see why there would be bad feelings associated
with this contest any more than any other contest.   I am not the
judge–no more than anyone else.  So its not my personal contest.  I am
just a contestant.  It is for everyone.
Rodd
I not ever see contest on AB previous.

If TP, likes and IOTD cause continuing bad feelings  seem likely a contest have same result.

-Sigridur
RAD
28 Jun, 2019 20:53
Sigga
I not ever see contest on AB previous.If TP, likes and IOTD cause continuing bad feelings seem likely a contest have same result.

-Sigridur
That's true–that is why it is called the 1st Contest.  I see you said SGL–I thought you had sad AB.  Sorry.  Well–this is different.  Only those people wanting to be judged are being judged.  And it is easier to judge anyway–comparing 2 images of the same target–or very similar targets is much easier than comparing an image of NGC 1499 in the Hubble palette and an image of the Pleiades in LRGB.  How do you even judge that,  In this case, the targets are similar, and in many cases they will be the same–there are only so many globular clusters around.

Besides–I was the only one complaining about the TPs and IOTD and Likes–so if I am OK with it, everyone else should be smile
Rodd
Snjór
28 Jun, 2019 22:14
Despite English being my 6th or 7th language while I assume you meant last sentence in jest in this case I could see it being taken literally.

Best wishes,
Sigridur
RAD
29 Jun, 2019 00:23
Sigga
Despite English being my 6th or 7th language while I assume you meant last sentence in jest in this case I could see it being taken literally.Best wishes,
Sigridur
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matherneconnor
29 Jun, 2019 03:12
Rodd Dryfoos
Sigga
Despite English being my 6th or 7th language while I assume you meant last sentence in jest in this case I could see it being taken literally.Best wishes,Sigridur
???

I'm not trying to misinterpret what Sigga is saying, so she can feel free to correct me if I am wrong. It seems she is saying your last sentence is so ridiculous she hopes you mean it jokingly. However, given past events and/or tone, it could easily be interpreted literally.
RAD
29 Jun, 2019 04:17
Connor Matherne
Rodd Dryfoos
Sigga
Despite English being my 6th or 7th language while I assume you meant last sentence in jest in this case I could see it being taken literally.Best wishes,Sigridur
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I'm not trying to misinterpret what Sigga is saying, so she can feel free to correct me if I am wrong. It seems she is saying your last sentence is so ridiculous she hopes you mean it jokingly. However, given past events and/or tone, it could easily be interpreted literally.
  Here is my last sentence

Besides–I was the only one complaining about the TPs and IOTD and Likes–so if I am OK with it, everyone else should be

Please explain why this is in any way offensive, even it were taken literally.  The most one could say is  "you are wrong, others were complaining too"  But it sure seemed like it was the "forum vs me".  I started the thread and  only one person agreed with–Rogerto Colombari, and he's gone.  Everyone else came down on me like a ton of bricks–so much so that the moderator had to terminate the thread.  perhaps that is why this last sentence is easy to take literally? If that last sentence offends you, then it is probably best if we do not communicate at all as I seem to offend you in ways I do not realize, and certainly do not intend.

Folks…not everything has to be an argument.  If you want to post an image in the contest, by all means post.  if you don't, don't.  If its not for you, that's fine.  Coming onto the thread just to say you don't like it is very much like giving someone's image a "don't like".  We don't do that–if we don't like an image we simply do not press like.  Or in this case, we don't participate.  No reason to make it negative.  Anyone that does not approve of this contest is not being forced to participate.
Rodd
carastro
29 Jun, 2019 08:42
I am happy with this idea especially as Salvatore has approved it, as it will satisfy those  who think that images taken by our own fair hand should not be in the same contest as data used from Professional or paid download only sources as happens in IOTD and TPs.

At the time of the long debate on IOTD it was suggested by many that we had separate contests for self acquired images, but this got rejected, so finally we have a method of doing this, albeit a chosen target at a time.

A few questions though.

1.  Should not the camera information also be included?
2. Who will be the judges, or do you mean the voters?
3. I presume this is the first of many such competitions, so will there be opportunity for narrowband targets as well?
4. Maybe also at some point we could have occasional competitions for images done in LP locations too?
5. When the winner is announced will it be displayed somewhere (Like TPs are) and will the winners have badges maybe?

Carole
Edited 30 Jun, 2019 17:00
pricech44
29 Jun, 2019 12:45
I ask this question? Why on earth is a IMOD or Likes or TP So important to all of you. I am here to learn and post my images , I am far from being a professional photographer but I enjoy what I do. You all sound like a bunch of high school kids who didn’t make the football team or the cheerleader squad. Please people be proud of your images no matter what other people think and do this for self gratification. There’s a whole subject on likes and the same that I think is ridiculous. If your not here to learn and post your beautiful images then why on earth are you here. Just to win a contest ? Wow if no one notices you here and no badges are given to you it makes no difference if your goal is to be an armature astronomer.

CS
Chris
RAD
29 Jun, 2019 13:09
Carastro
I am happy for this idea especially as Salvatore has approved it, as it will satisfy those  who think that images taken by our own fair hand should not be in the same contest as data used from Professional or paid download only sources as happens in IOTD and TPs.At the time of the long debate on IOTD it was suggested by many that we had separate contests for self acquired images, but this got rejected, so finally we have a method of doing this, albeit a chosen target at a time.

A few questions though.

1.  Should not the camera information also be included?
2. Who will be the judges, or do you mean the voters?
3. I presume this is the first of many such competitions, so will there be opportunity for narrowband targets as well?
4. Maybe also at some point we could have occasional competitions for images done in LP locations too?
5. When the winner is announced will it be displayed somewhere (Like TPs are) and will the winners have badges maybe?

Carole
Carole-All vey good questions.
1) My idea was that since the images would be judged (voted) based on their  appearance, camera data, number of subs, etc. is not required.  There should be no "qualifiers".  Aperture is the one requirement as the contest is limited to up to 12".

2)  My original idea was to have Astrobin members vote.  When the voting starts, for a period of one week members post their choice and I will count them and post the results–but everyone will be able to do it for themselves as well as everyone has access to the thread.  This may not be the best way to do this.  It certainly was the easiest way to start off and the only way I could think to do it.  I am open to suggestions.

3) As long as Salvatore allows I see no reason why many such contests couldn't be done-narrowband included (I love narrowband).  If I do future contests, I will certainly include narrowband.

4) There are many categories that could be done.  I agree that images taken from LP sites would be a good one–I think the Bortle number or sky mag, or the LP value (not sure if there is a number) would have to be included to ensure some threshold value of LP.

5) In order for a badge or formal announcement to be made, Salvatore or someone he designates will have to do that–I wouldn't know how to do it (I don't think members can do such things).  I would love if there was a formal announcement and there were badges of some sort.  Maybe he will use this as a test case and see how it goes-if its popular (a lot of contestants) and everyone behaves, maybe (hopefully) such things will come to fruition.

Thanks,
Rodd
RAD
29 Jun, 2019 13:19
Chris Price
I ask this question? Why on earth is a IMOD or Likes or TP So important to all of you. I am here to learn and post my images , I am far from being a professional photographer but I enjoy what I do. You all sound like a bunch of high school kids who didn’t make the football team or the cheerleader squad. Please people be proud of your images no matter what other people think and do this for self gratification. There’s a whole subject on likes and the same that I think is ridiculous. If your not here to learn and post your beautiful images then why on earth are you here. Just to win a contest ? Wow if no one notices you here and no badges are given to you it makes no difference if your goal is to be an armature astronomer.CS
Chris
Chris–we are having fun.  Contests date back to ancient Greece and the first Olympics (at least).  As stated previously, no one is obligated to take part in anyway (posting or voting).  If people want to join in–they should be able to do so without their motivations or pride being questioned.

Thanks,
Rodd
eigenVector
29 Jun, 2019 13:35
Can we lock or delete this thread? Op is clearly a troll.    smile
RAD
29 Jun, 2019 14:08
Jonathan W MacCollum
Can we lock or delete this thread? Op is clearly a troll.    smile
  No
carastro
29 Jun, 2019 16:00
Chris Price
I ask this question? Why on earth is a IMOD or Likes or TP So important to all of you. I am here to learn and post my images , I am far from being a professional photographer but I enjoy what I do. You all sound like a bunch of high school kids who didn’t make the football team or the cheerleader squad. Please people be proud of your images no matter what other people think and do this for self gratification. There’s a whole subject on likes and the same that I think is ridiculous. If your not here to learn and post your beautiful images then why on earth are you here. Just to win a contest ? Wow if no one notices you here and no badges are given to you it makes no difference if your goal is to be an armature astronomer.

Human nature I guess, we all want a bit of praise or appreciation for our efforts.  I do not expect awards, but a  quantity of likes makes me feel I did a reasonable job.

Generally been using this site for a decent place to host my images, and also to see the other wonderful work of others and be inspired, but am not averse to a bit of fun in a contest, so long as it doesn't turn nasty like some previous threads have over the last few years.

Carole
Edited 30 Jun, 2019 06:31
siovene
29 Jun, 2019 17:39
Just a short intromission from my part, to clarify things. Rodd asked for permission to use the forums to coordinate his contest(s), and I approved because I don't think I should arbiter what anyone can or cannot say on the AstroBin forums, so long as they are respectful and decent to each other, and of course the topic astrophotography or close enough.

AstroBin is a platform, a mean of communication, and my philosophy is to keep it as open as possible.

Having said that, AstroBin does not officially endorse third party contests. Insert some legalese here, I'm not a lawyer.
Edited 29 Jun, 2019 17:40
Starminer68
29 Jun, 2019 23:47
Salvatore Iovene
Just a short intromission from my part, to clarify things. Rodd asked for permission to use the forums to coordinate his contest(s), and I approved because I don't think I should arbiter what anyone can or cannot say on the AstroBin forums, so long as they are respectful and decent to each other, and of course the topic astrophotography or close enough.AstroBin is a platform, a mean of communication, and my philosophy is to keep it as open as possible.

Having said that, AstroBin does not officially endorse third party contests. Insert some legalese here, I'm not a lawyer.
Salvatore, I can help with legal part, after our last dispute on aircraft photos you accepted everything🤓 There is good Russian joke:  when cat has nothing to do- he licks his b….. this is exactly about this topic😄😄😄
RAD
29 Jun, 2019 23:53
Adel Kildeev
when cat has nothing to do- he licks his b….. t
Careful–this could be taken literally
Rodd
Starminer68
30 Jun, 2019 06:47
Rodd Dryfoos
Adel Kildeev
when cat has nothing to do- he licks his b….. t
Careful–this could be taken literally
Rodd
You are welcome, Sir! smile
siovene
30 Jun, 2019 16:29
Info: I changed the title of the topic to "Rodd's Imaging Contest #1: Globular clusters (discussion thread)".
carastro
30 Jun, 2019 17:01
Thanks Salvatore, it was difficult to find which thread was which both with long and similar titles, the different bit disappearing at the end, and now it is clearer.

Carole
Edited 30 Jun, 2019 17:02
RAD
30 Jun, 2019 18:48
All–As I tend to do on a regular basis, I have reprocessed my M13 image.  I did not realize until now that the link posted in the competition takes you to the image page that the image is on–and to the final image–regardless of which image on that page you use for the link  So, to be clear–when I entered my M13 image into the contest the final image on my page was version L.  Sorry about that–I did not intend to reprocess my contest entry–but the posted link will take you to the reprocess.  So I am informing all that it is Version L that is the one I entered.

Rodd
 
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