Possible Kuiper belt object close enough for surface detail observations. [Solar System] Acquisition techniques · David Healy · ... · 69 · 3245 · 0

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As requested I have photographed the one of the objects against the background of stars.  The target is the bright object in the upper right corner.  Is this sufficient proof that this is worth a few moments of your telescope time?
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David Healy:
As requested I have photographed the one of the objects against the background of stars.  The target is the bright object in the upper right corner.  Is this sufficient proof that this is worth a few moments of your telescope time?


Is necessary a picture with  at least 8 well-defined stars for astrographic resolution with The SkyX. I tried with your but did not work.  You captured trails....
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I am pleased to report that the target has dropped below the horizon.  I am using Project’s Pluto’s orbital determination software http://www.projectpluto.com/find_orb.htm to
calculate the orbit.  I am giving you all the information you need to find the object. My research indicates giving my GPS coordinates would not have a material impact on the orbital calculations.
    Target     2016 11 20.04515 18 13 04.00 -24 3936.0                      736
    Target     2016 11 24.04964 18 53 05.00 -25 4643.0                      736
    Target     2016 11 25.02296 19 05 29.00 -30 5841.0                      736
    Target     2016 11 27.01384 18 54 33.80 -27 4809.0                      736
    Target     2016 11 30.03333 18 42 45.20 -25 4009.0                      736
    Target     201612 01.01325 18 41 41.70 -25 46 28.0                      736
    Target     2016 12 02.03220 18 42 04.50 -26 1203.0                      736
    Target     2016 12 12.14667 20 17 00.00 -27 1650.0                      736
    Target     2016 12 14.04056 21 02 21.10 -26 0136.0                      736
    Target     2016 12 16.03737 21 08 22.80 -24 5218.0                      736
    Target     2016 12 18.01987 21 03 26.80 -24 0849.0                      736
    Target     2016 12 19.03531 21 01 43.20 -24 2204.0                      736
    Target     2016 12 20.04676 20 40 57.00 -23 2936.0                      736
    Target     2016 12 21.04755 20 47 09.00 -25 2533.0                      736
    Target     2016 12 26.02257 20 15 39.90 -18 53 46.0                      736
    Target     2016 12 29.00130 20 15 13.70 -18 2030.0                      736
    Target     2016 12 30.03032 20 14 12.20 -21 1357.0                      736
    Target     2017 01 02.02495 20 20 01.10 -21 0341.0                      736
I would not have given you these coordinates if I had calculated the orbit with confidence.  The situation has changed.  A possible perturbation was observed on Dec.26, 2016.  I am uncertain how to interpret the data.  We were closest to the target around the fourteenth of December.
I have discovered that the deep sky pictures are not in focus.  With less than ten minutes to do any observations, I did the best that I could.  A possible candidate for the target is that it is dead long term period comet that is pulling itself back together.  Other than the Minor Planet Center I told no one about what I had found.  For everyone who commented I thank you for showing me how little I know about
astronomy.  I will let you if I glean anything material from the data.
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I need independent confirmation now.  I was examining my data and finally managed to input several possible orbits into my computer.  The ones that best matched said the target was heading back out of the solar system. I decided to go out and it was true. This object is traveling so fast that I estimate it will be out of range of amateur telescopes within weeks.  I need confirmation now.

The target has moons that clearly took a slacking.  There is a debris field.  The weather is too cold.  I risked hyperthermia just to get you this coordinate.   I have made every effort in good faith to get you the evidence, but will not be able to do so.  I need you to aim your telescope and go to the red object in your finderscope.  The object is very dim and won’t be available to see until ten minutes after
sundown, and is close to the horizon so it will not take up too much time.  I want to thank you for independent confirmation in advance.
2017 01 08.02292 19 55 59.20 -06 29 51.00
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I nearly aborted due to the elements.  I go in expecting a magnitude nine object, so I gave the target an absolute magnitude of seven.  Makes sense with what I am seeing.  We are reaching threshold for binoculars, so I am going to ask for independent confirmation. Not so certain about exosolar origin now.  Could you put your best barlow on the moons?  I would like to know how well they held up.

2017 01 09.03223 20 21 41.70 -04 41 10.00
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I have uploaded a new image of the target.  If you don’t believe me please put the last two coordinates in the following spreadsheet with 1AU for the phelion.  The photo was taken roughly 01/10/2016 1AM UT.
www.physics.sfasu.edu/astro/asteroids/vaisala3.xls
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Here is the latest coordinate.  Still cannot get orbit.  More and more I suspect extrasolar because the equations keep blowing up.  Use the Vaiasla method to make predictions until then. Use this and the earliest observation after the target made phelion.  The target is now high enough that you can shoot at will.  I have to ask, is this sufficient proof for you telescope time?

2017 01 10.02306 20 28 03.30 -06 35 25.00
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Correction set phelion to zero.
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MikeP 0.00
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Looks like star 71Aql ... badly out of focus
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If the target is an out of focus star, please explain those rings.
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I have uploaded a new image.
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We can't see anything in your photos, focus if very off, can you at least share your specs?
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I will admit I was so tired and exited that I did not think things through properly when uploading the image.  I used an Atik 314L+ mono luminance filter 5sec exposure.  For the record the image is in focus.  If you compare the two images at 200% you will discover the bottom of Aqr 71 is moving and Aqr 71 is
being eclipsed.
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I am pleased to call off the hunt.  I have not had clear skies since the tenth,and the Houston weather suggests the 21st will be the earliest I have for clear skies.  Considering that will be close to the time when the target is out of our range, and since I don’t
have a reliable means of tracking it I am going to call it off.  I have shown the best evidence that I was tracking something.  If I do manage to find it I will report the coordinate and you have two days at best to find out of place
star in your finderscope.  Thanks to everyone who participated.  Clear skies.
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Good news!  The hunt is back on.  I had an unexpected brief break in the weather.   It was hard seeing the target in the scope with so much moisture so no stars.  You will have to settle for a proof by contradiction for this weekend.  Blow up this image with the previous two black and white I have uploaded to 200%.  You will see the ring system that is not eclipsing a star.
2017 01 20.04399 21 40 45.60 -12 36 00.00
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David, I don't know why nobody else is saying this, and I hate to burst your bubble, but that's just an out of focus star.
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Too tired to post regularly. Spent two days taking pictures unsuitable for upload save one.  Please disregard the previous coordinate.  No wonder the last picture was odd.  There was a comet in my eyepiece.  I was unaware that a comet easily accessible to toy telescopes in moderate light pollution.  Target was 21 45 45.4 -21 28 36. Come was 21 48 26.8 -14 58 45.
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We all knew this day would come.  The target is nearly out of my range.  I have two days at most.  The final coordinate is 21 24 07.8 -16 2017.  The target will be the faint nearby star.  I want to thank everyone who participated.  I started this out not knowing how to track anything or determine any orbit.  You pushed me out of my comfort zone to levels never believed possible.

I want to single out Wanni for at least seeing if I was tracking something.  I would like to take this opportunity to express my frustration with the entire astrobin
community.  If this is an elaborate hoax,it would have been easily disproven.  I figured someone who recognize my efforts as good faith and at least taken a
look.  I will give you this last opportunity to see what I saw.  A possible Kuiper belt object surrounded by moons, and if you hit the moons with
your hardest barlow you will see they are spherical.
I am glad I did not chose astronomer as a profession.  I am no longer in the mood for tracking that comet, if it is one.  I will provide my observations for that object if you want, but you will get no further help from
me.  I have one last thing to do before I give up the scope for a while.
Take everything I have done into account.  If I am lying, you are wasting a half hour of your time, a small fraction of the time it went into perpetrating this
fraud.  If I am telling you the truth,you will see something that will force the rewriting of the textbooks.  Either I am tracking something or this is an elaborate fraud.  Choose one.
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I promised you those coordinates of that object I found while I was tracking the possible Kuiper belt object.

2017 01 20.04399 21 40 45.6 -12 36 00
2017 01 23.02420 21 39 11.2 -15 40 36
2017 01 24.02909 21 45 45.4 -21 28 36

Clear skies everyone.
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I am still tracking the target.  You could have found that out by looking at my page.  I don’t have the orbit.  I found an astronomer who found errors in my tracking so please disregard all previous coordinates.  There have been only two developments to report.

Have you seen the target? It became so active that on 06/15/2017 it was visible to the naked eye.  The target is currently between the constellation Arcturus and the constellation before that.  It is currently North and West of Arcturus in a retrograde orbit around the sun.  If you seek it, search with your finderscope. I expect the activity to have ceased, and you will find a ninth magnitude red object if your finderscope.

The other is that the initial planetary ring was thought to be small.  I now know it is the brightest part of a large ring.  I had no proof until last night.  If you look at each picture with stars, you will find the rings as the target is osculating a star.  I had some guiding issues with the ring shot.
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Um...   Is this some sort of elaborate gag?

Thanks.
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Attention all skeptics!  Initially I was only going to do a courtesy call with the only follow upbeing when I locked down the orbit and mapped the planetary surface.  I can only get coordinates when the target isosculating a star.  Since there were overa hundred hits on this article, I might rethink my initial idea.
So I will issue the skeptics an ultimatium.  The only reason I could not produce theevidence is that I did not have an autoguider, now it is guiding issues.  I caught the target osculating a star twonights ago, which I will not have the chance to upload before I head off to
work.  If experience is any guide, whenyou slew to these coordinates the target will be to the edge of the eyepiece.
I will shut up if you prove me a liar!  I will accept defeat if you upload images inthe following twelve hours that prove you looked at the following coordinates
and that you also searched about the bin, meaning that I want you to center the
picture at least ten minutes plus minus on the ra of these coordinates and you
state in the forum that you looked through the eyepiece and did not see a Mars
like object surrounded by white moons.
#Geocentric
Date (UTC)   RA              Dec         delta  r     elong
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2017 06 22  06 2715.813   +25 27 06.10  1.8307 .82687   6.0
2017 06 23  06 2940.672   +25 22 09.19  1.8248 .81934   5.6
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Well, this was unexpected last night.  The target was occulating Edasich.  It is a reddish object in the finderscope.  The target has been covering a lot of sky as of late.  I uploaded the latest image.
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I was asked to produce a picture of the target moving against the stars.  I am proud to report mission accomplished.  I have uploaded three images, two where all I did was convert the raw data to 16bit png files so you can check my work.  If you go to Google Sky you will see the reference stars at 01 00’ 35.2” +60 43’ 55.9”.  I uploaded a finished work so you could seethe movement.  (It is very small so thought I would blow it up so you know up front that the target is moving.)
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How about round two?  There is significant overlap due to me changing focus, which destroyed most of the
movement, but you can tell from the center of each image it moved.  22 14 38.1 +58 11 53.7
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