Celestron Advanced VX Computerized Mount International tracking problem Celestron Advanced VX · Solar_Panels · ... · 8 · 369 · 0

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Hello, I'm a slight beginner Deep-Sky Astro-photographer. I own a Celestron Advanced VX Computerized EQ Mount with a Celestron S-C 8se scope. I unfortunately (for some reason) can only Photograph the east region of the night sky without getting Star Trailing. If someone uses the scope and/or the mount and might know a solution, please notify me.


Equipment:

Scope: Celestron Schmidt-Cassegrain 8se
Mount: Celestron Advanced VX Computerized Mount International
Camera: Canon Rebel T7 Dslr(not astro modified)
Accessories: T-Ring | T-Adapter | Starsense | Wifi adapter | Sky align GPs | Reducer

Sincerely, Solar Panel
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tomvdk 0.00
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Hi, did you balance your EQ mount correctly? 

See How to balance an equatorial mount or Celestron AVX mount assembly and balancingon how to do this.

Kind regards, 

Tom
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mxpwr 7.29
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I've been using the mount for several years. If properly balanced, you can get decent tracking. 
The main issue is with the stiff RA and Dec axis, which make balancing very difficult. I loosened both of them to make it a bit easier.
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martinv13 0.00
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1) Adjust the wormgears by hand, try to eleminate "backlash" (look for turtorials on youtube - lots of them ie- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CARLY4Ji6DY&t=133s
2) Get into autoguiding your mount - Start using a laptop and PHD2 and a guidescope  to assist your mount, which helps to eleminate backlash and tracking errors (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buU_d_gEVCA)
3) If all above fails you might need to hypertune your mount - as D.Jung said the RA and Dec can be quite stiff, which is bad for tracking and balancing.

Cheers
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messierman3000 6.37
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Martin:
1) Adjust the wormgears by hand, try to eleminate "backlash" (look for turtorials on youtube - lots of them ie- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CARLY4Ji6DY&t=133s)

I followed this guy and it screwed up my guiding for good; just a millimeter closer to the driven gear and you'll hear a grinding noise and the guiding will be bad

I had to put the gear back where it was before

look into belts instead; I saw a kit once on CN classifieds, I have no idea how that works (because it'll reverse the movement of RA and DEC), but I know it works and it helps
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I have the almost same exact setup, and get no trailing. I use no gadgets (wifi, starsense, gps etc.) and get excellent tracking with the standard 3-star align.

Use Backyard EOS software to look at and hook up your Canon camera (I have/had a T3 and a T6i).

Retry without gadgets and double check everything (time, date, gps location in proper format etc).

The AVX is an excellent mount for the price.

Don't do any useless fiddling with the gears/backlash, if necessary have Celestron service do it. Unlike some confused youtubers, they actually know what they are doing.

Also, do a proper optical polar align with the Celestron polar scope.

My AVX mount is still the way it was "out of the Amazon box", no useless extra tuning.

Here are some images I got with it, optical polar alignment, never used or needed any guiding,

Just "orange tube" C8 SCT scope and AVX mount both "out of the Amazon box" :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gChkQmfTlE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FReYgPUMAfs

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2024/03/21/telescope-images-capture-galaxies-see-photos/72856126007/

https://www.astrobin.com/search/?q=Hamber+C8

Hope this helps,

Herbert W. Hamber, professor of Physics and Astronomy, University of California at Irvine.
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martinv13 0.00
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Martin:
1) Adjust the wormgears by hand, try to eleminate "backlash" (look for turtorials on youtube - lots of them ie- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CARLY4Ji6DY&t=133s)

I followed this guy and it screwed up my guiding for good; just a millimeter closer to the driven gear and you'll hear a grinding noise and the guiding will be bad

I had to put the gear back where it was before

look into belts instead; I saw a kit once on CN classifieds, I have no idea how that works (because it'll reverse the movement of RA and DEC), but I know it works and it helps

Yes, this can happen. Its a trial and error process, the gears must not be too "tight". I have gone through it all myself, now I have a heavy load of 10kg and get perfect guiding on a calm night. I am super pleased with the AVX, considering its a "budget" mount.
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mxpwr 7.29
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Don't get discouraged, the AVX is not an excellent mount (it's a decent mount for it's price). It's normal that you struggle to get good guiding with it. But if you balance it properly <3min subs are doable with decent hfr.
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Okay, a couple of things.
1.  How is your polar alignment?  You have to have a good polar alignment to have good tracking.  What kind of guide scope and guide camera are you using?    Here's another question.  What software are you using?  For Astrophotography, I would be looking at N.I.N.A. since it's free and pretty powerful.  It also has a built-in polar alignment feature which will help you get polar aligned.

2.  How is your actual mount in terms of movement?  When I got my AVX a few years ago, I could put all sorts of stuff on it and it would be horribly imbalanced and still wouldn't rotate because of the imbalance.  I followed this gentleman's advice on the rebuild of my AVX.  When I opened mine up, it had axle-bearing grease, the really sticky sort of stuff, and I ended up replacing it with white lithium grease, and when I did that, it was very smooth, and would easily rotate around it's axis if it was out of balance.  Before that, it wouldn't rotate at all.

https://rocketsparrow.blogspot.com/2017/01/how-i-made-better-celestron-avx.html

Don't worry about using the bearing, you don't really need it.  I don't have it in mine.  The rebuild will take you a couple of hours, but it's really not that hard.

What are your guiding numbers looking like?  Can you post a PHD2 guiding graph (screen capture?)

Others have mentioned changing the gear lash.  I've found that if you do a deep 'clean' on the mount and switch to lithium grease instead of the axle-bearing grease they used (at least in mine) you'll not have to worry about it since the mount will move far more freely.

Okay, I have several suggestions for you.
First, a Schmidt-Cassegrain is the absolute last telescope that I would want to use for start out in astroimaging.  Have you downloaded the free Stellarium application?  It's a software based planetarium.  You can simulate several telescopes that you put in, as well as several cameras, and a whole bunch of other stuff.  My recommendation to you is to install the software on your computer, and then go into the settings, put in the information for your SC 8 and then the camera below.  Then, look for M31, the Andromeda Galaxy.  Switch between telescopes and look at the image that you'll see with both.  There is no doubt that the SC8 has it's place, but not for a beginner.  Your profile doesn't say where in the world you are, I'm going to give you links to U.S. retailers, you can find something similar in your country or region if you're not in the U.S.

Astrophotography is not inexpensive.  The stuff I'm going to recommend is not going to be cheap.

Telescope.  MY RECOMMENDATION is to start with a small refractor.
From High Point Scientific, the Askar 71 Flat Field Refractor is $600.  The nice thing about this telescope is that you don't have to worry about 'back focus' and a bunch of other stuff.
https://www.highpointscientific.com/askar-71f-flat-field-refractor
You can add the Bright Focus Mask and the 32mm Guide Scope, and I would recommend both
Guide Scope:  https://www.highpointscientific.com/askar-32mm-guide-scope-black-32gs-bl  Add $97.
Focus Mask:  https://www.highpointscientific.com/apertura-bright-focus-mask-for-60mm-to-90mm-telescopes  $25.  If you're unfamiliar with this, look up 'Bahtinov Mask' to learn what it does, but it's for focusing accurately.

Next, I see you have a StarSense GPS.  That's great if you want to know where you are in the world, but it doesn't do anything to align your telescope.  There is also the StarSense AutoAlign, which will figure out where you telescope is pointing and makes for great 'Go-Tos' but does not polar align your telescope.  https://www.celestron.com/products/starsense-autoalign  You don't need this is you're using a laptop.

For really good polar alignment, since you're using an AVX, I would recommend using the QHY Polemaster.  This device, in addition to a laptop, will allow you to precisely polar align a telescope.  You'll also get an adapter, which must be specified, to fit the AVX.  You plug into the computer and run the alignment software and you'll be set for a night of imaging.  The adapter is another $30.  So, $300 total.

You'll notice I keep coming back to Polar Alignment.  There's a reason for that.  Your accurate, precise polar alignment is the rock bottom foundation of good astrophotography.  If you don't have good polar alignment, you can have the best equipment in the world and will get results that are horrible, or even total failures.

Okay, so now we have a new telescope, a new guide scope, a new camera for polar alignment, let's get a camera for the guide scope.

I think ZWO makes great stuff, and the ASI120MM should work well for the guide scope we're using. 

Look up the ZWO ASI1200MM guide camera, about $130.

You'll need software to run the guiding.  PHD2 is pretty much the standard.  My hyperlinks aren't working right, so look for 'openphdguiding.org' to download it.

You might want to get a star diagonal and a couple of eyepieces so you can view what you're looking at.

Okay, so you have your mount.  Rebuild it according to the instructions above.
Then, you'll get a new, smaller, wide field refractor telescope.
You'll need a real guide scope and guide camera.
You'll need software, NINA is free and so is PHD2 Guiding.
You'll need a laptop to run everything. 
For your camera, check out 'BackyardEOS.  You can get a trial version, a Classic Version and a Premium version.  Since I don't have a Canon camera, I don't have any experience with it, but it's always been well spoken of.  I don't know if you can integrate it with NINA or not.  You may be able to use NINA with the camera without BackyardEOS.  Maybe others can comment on that.

Based on what I have seen and read from you so far, you are missing some stuff for serious astrophotography.  This list will help to fix some of that.

Finally, I went through some financial difficulties and lost a good portion of my astrophotography gear.  I still haven't had the money to get back into the hobby, so I am not actively in the hobby right now.  I wanted to put that out there.  But, the information I've given you is still good

I wish you good luck and clear skies.

Gary
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