# 31 Dec, 2016 13:26
|What do you have to do to get a top pick? Maybe it is time to change up that panel that supposedly hand picks the images or repost old images as that seems to work for some.|
# 31 Dec, 2016 15:53
|I was curious about that too!!|
# 31 Dec, 2016 18:43
|If I remember correctly, it's based on what IOTD Submitters and Reviewers nominate for IOTD.|
# 31 Dec, 2016 18:49
Ethan & George ChappelThat explains it then, as the majority of the IOTD's are no better.
# 23 Jan, 2018 03:24
|Sorry, I can't figure out how to add a new Topic, so I found the closest related section. I had a question relating to my latest image on the Tadpole nebula. Yesterday morning it was marked as a Top Pick, but 24 hours later, it's no longer a Top Pick. Has anyone else ever a Top Pick taken away? I was happy yesterday, but a little sad to see it gone today. Any way to find out why it was taken away?|
# 23 Jan, 2018 03:29
A submitter probably selected it but changed their mind later. That's the only guess I have.
# 23 Jan, 2018 03:37
Ethan & George ChappelYes, I thought of the possibility that they may have changed their mind, but was hoping for some other explanation. Thanks for the reply.Chuck's Astrophotography
# 23 Jan, 2018 05:29
|It's just as likely that you will be even happier soon: when an image becomes IOTD for a future date, the Top Pick tag is stripped. I will have to fi this because I get too many emails about the topic :-)|
# 23 Jan, 2018 05:35
|Thank you for getting back with me. You're right, I am happier already!.|
# 23 Jan, 2018 09:14
I'm unhappy with the selection of the Top Picks images.
At first I thought it was a good idea to distinguish the best images but now I think there are two problems:
1. The elected images are not always the best and
2. It seems that the choice of images is restricted to a small group of members.
It could give some examples in relation to point 1. but it would be inelegant to identify photographs of other members. Therefore, I will mention a particular situation. A while ago I published an image that was considered Top Pick. After almost a year, I improved the image and published again. Result: was not elected Top Pick. It was an unpleasant surprise for me.
I apologize for the outburst but it's my honest opinion. I also do not want to hurt anybody's feelings, and I would like this opinion to be read in terms of improving the Astrobin space.
# 23 Jan, 2018 09:18
|Ruben, this has been discussed ad-nauseam. Astrophotographs cannot be sorted on an absolute scale, so all Top Picks and IOTDs will always be subjective. All we can do is try to highlight some interesting images and have some fun while doing it. There will always be contrasting opinions on every image, because a preference for an image is exactly that: an opinion. Let us just accept that it's an imperfect system, and we will all feel better for it.|
# 23 Jan, 2018 20:00
Ruben BarbosaRuben I seem to recall a thread recently where it was mentioned that if an imager updates an image with an improved version, only the original version gets put through to the selection process at the original time of uploading, but not updates. Could this be the reason in your case? Or did you submit it as if it was a brand new image?
# 23 Jan, 2018 21:34
Salvatore IoveneFixed today.
# 23 Jan, 2018 21:56
Salvatore IoveneThank you for addressing this.Salvatore IoveneFixed today.
# 24 Jan, 2018 00:55
Chuck's AstrophotographyChuck looks very smiley!Salvatore IoveneThank you for addressing this.Salvatore IoveneFixed today.
# 24 Jan, 2018 04:28
SiggaChuck's AstrophotographyChuck looks very smiley!Salvatore IoveneThank you for addressing this.Salvatore IoveneFixed today.
Indeed I am Sigga
# 24 Jan, 2018 08:09
A few days ago I raised that question and I was clear about the procedure. As such, the situation i reported here was about a new image (not a revision).
But back to the main question, from my point of view why should we accept an imperfect system when it has the capacity to improve? This is an issue that should be considered.
I think that the criteria for choosing Top Picks should be rigorously discussed by more experienced members and passed on to less experienced decision-makers (for example, why a simple 1" photograph of the sky is selected while an image of a distant and rarely seen galaxy, with a large telescope, is never chosen?).
# 24 Jan, 2018 08:22
|Ruben, you have also to consider that on any given day there is usually more than one image that is worthy of IOTD. And somethings you cannot objectively say that one is better than the other.|
# 24 Jan, 2018 14:56
Good morning to all members! I would like to suggest that we discuss some parameters for choosing the" images of the day "by the members of the group, why not create a topic about it? Would be interesting!|
I understand that the choice has many subjective criteria, among them opinions and votes (likes) of the members. But it would be convenient to add in addition to the votes of the members in the mural images, the degree of difficulty in catching certain very faint objects and their too difficult processing in an attempt to highlight their details.
What do you think about this?
# 24 Jan, 2018 15:11
|I agree, I wanted to have an "IOTD Manifesto" since the beginning, for two reasons: consistency and transparency.|
# 25 Jan, 2018 03:17
Another reason why an image was picked as Top Picks a year ago while an improved version isn't: the quality of other images. The overall quality of images on Astrobin actually fluctuate. It was very clear to me last year when I was a reviewer/judge. I remember there was a period of time last year when the averaged quality drop consistently, for not just weeks, but a couple of months. It could be caused by the global weather in one hemisphere: people just didn't have chances to image for a good while. There were short periods of time when good pictures just burst. Because of this quality fluctuation, one image picked a while ago doesn't imply it (or its improved version) to be picked again. The Top Picks (and also the IOTD) is a relative term, only meant to be compared with images submitted within roughly a week from each other, not over long time scales of months or a year.|
And remember, we are not machines. We have subjective opinions and our opinions are different from each other, so are the IOTD staff.
# 25 Jan, 2018 09:37
Please do not try to find more justifications for the situation I've customized, i thank you all. I just mentioned my example not to identify images chosen for Top Picks that in my opinion should never have been.|
I agree with Péter Feltóti, in https://www.astrobin.com/forum/c/astrobin/feature-requests/top-picks/,when he said: “Do You think that all the top quality images make it to the top pic section? I am shure they don't. Labeling an image as top pic means that others are not top quality images, and this would mislead people. Choosing an IOTD is subjective, and it is OK, but quality is not a question of taste so choosing a top pic shouldn't be like this. I think it is already a problem. Just saying :-)”
I remarkedthat my insatisfaction is not against the players in the selection of Top Picks but rather about the methodology used, because I think it can be improved on several levels.
Of course, i will be available to collaborate on what is necessary to make the Astrobin environment more satisfying to its members.
# 25 Jan, 2018 12:06
|Most of as are not scientists; we are photographers, with our subject being the night sky. Thus things like aesthetics, composition, amount of post-processing and respect to our subject, comes into play when we judge an image. As being humans we judge relatively to other images we, as (imperfect) individuals, consider as good images. That's why the term top quality has not that much meaning for us. If we were scientists, top quality may mean high SNR or low FWHM, but then, the only top quality images under these measures are from professional observatories or from space missions. And even then, aesthetics is important. Organizations like NASA (or others) takes aesthetics into account when publishing their results to the general public.|
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