Flat Panel for Refractors At Remote Sites [Deep Sky] Acquisition techniques · Jerry Gerber · ... · 38 · 1291 · 8

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Jerry, I think the DSD device is actually a good choice. (with the caveat that I haven't tested it long term remotely)

I can confirm the flat illumination they provided was at least as good as any other method I've used (and my current GIOTTO device from Primalucelabs)

In terms of creating darks with light all around the scope, I couldn't see that as successful since the closure on the dew shield isn't made for that. If making darks amidst a remote observatory with the roof closed on a rainy night, I could see that working just fine.

I'd be prepared to tweak the phsicalities of the device a bit. The USB micro port sizing is less than ideal. Getting a solid connection requires "reshaping" the access hole given the guards on most USB-micro cables. That was done pretty easily with an exacto knife in my case. 

I ordered the non heated option since I don't prefer heat on the end of the dew shield that way and am already fitted well for that. So the device comes with what I can only call a "blank ring" thats just in the middle. What I found is that this really just adds to a flimsier attachment to the end of the dew shield and should be better attached (without really screwing up the compression of the ring intended to the secure it to the dew shield)

Another issue is that the connections and quite easily come free. Maybe not the worst on a nightly rig, but pretty terrible on a remote one. I started designing an add on STL component to be printed to lock those cables in place myself. Mine's not done, but will be happy to share it if you need. I'd love to see DSD adjust that if they could on the design end. 

On the positive side, the device does exactly what was intended for me; remotely allowing coverage of the main scope and providing a well controlled flat panel. It's lightweight and I don't envision it adding a ton of surface area to make wind more problematic. (my guiding has remained similar to previous sessions based on similar circumstances)

Given the approachable price point of the device, I think it's a solid product for the market and its definitely the better value for flats/cover on my scope. 


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Sean1980 3.15
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Just my 2 cents I have a custom made panel from DeepSkyDad for my ZS73, its the same design.
It works brilliantly, just keep in mind to balance the scope with the flap open.
For remote think its important that you can also control your USB ports remotely, it does from time to time loose my flatpanel in NINA. Shutting down the USB and restarting it seems to fix this. Not sure if this is a NINA or panel driver issue.

CS,
Sean
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Sean van Drogen:
For remote think its important that you can also control your USB ports remotely, it does from time to time loose my flatpanel in NINA. Shutting down the USB and restarting it seems to fix this. Not sure if this is a NINA or panel driver issue.


agreed! I use the pegasus powerbox to do this, but could be done a number of ways in theory
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mmorenorivera 0.00
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I chose an RB Focus Excalibur for my 10" SkyWatcher Quattro Pro. It is sturdy, has solid connectors, is elegant, and superbly terminated. No complaints after three months working remotely in the Atacama region in Chile. Daily use. I am just waiting for my Tak refractor to pull the trigger for a new Excalibur.

Seriously, check this:

https://www.rbfocus.net/product-page/rb-focus-excalibur-pre-orden

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bluemoon737 3.61
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Mauricio Moreno:
I chose an RB Focus Excalibur for my 10" SkyWatcher Quattro Pro. It is sturdy, has solid connectors, is elegant, and superbly terminated. No complaints after three months working remotely in the Atacama region in Chile. Daily use. I am just waiting for my Tak refractor to pull the trigger for a new Excalibur.

Seriously, check this:

https://www.rbfocus.net/product-page/rb-focus-excalibur-pre-orden


My only issue would be the attachment of the panel to the actuator which looks to be double-sided tape. Not sure I would trust that at a remote location for longevity purposes.
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jmarinotero 3.61
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I have a DSD on my SVX140T and it has worked great. The fit is a bit tight but it works out OK. It produces great flats. I had 2 Excalibur panels from RBFocus go bad on me. The panel is held in place with double-sided tape as mentioned (had the first one fall off almost immediately, breaking the connection cable). The replacement got its cable severed as well after a few rounds of setting up / tearing down, maybe not how it was intended to be used. They have good service and a lot of people are happy with them, maybe the new design is better but it just didn't work for me. I also have a Wanderer on a different scope in a remote observatory and so far it's working great as well.
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Reg_00 8.02
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The base of the RBFocus has slots to inset a zip tie or something else to secure the motor to the tube. I wouldnt trust that double sided tape alone with any size panel.
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mmorenorivera 0.00
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I am pretty sure that any CNC piece doesn't last longer than double-sided tapes by it selves, may I suggest these test videos?:

https://youtu.be/wCbVvnt4Ruc
https://youtu.be/U2vbR34jBzk
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Supro 3.81
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I have a DSD on my SVX140T and it has worked great.


did you find any issues with the DSD design? I found the flats to be great, but the ring fit and how it was secured wasn't ideal. Also the connections on to the usb and power were slightly off/thicker so I ended up printing a cable lock to add to it so they wouldn't accidentally come loose. (since the usage is intended to be remote observatory)

overall still my preferred device I think. Flats produced were as good as any I've used and the motorization of the device was solid. until @Bill Long - Dark Matters Astrophotography starts selling his design that he built for his epsilon, the DSD is my best bet I think. 

@Bill Long - Dark Matters Astrophotography i'm actually selling a RASA 11 now because I couldn't quite figure out how i'd be happy operating it remotely with the dew shield, flats, and closing lid. I'm pretty sure your device would change that equation. just saying..... ;-)
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jmarinotero 3.61
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Nick Grundy:
I have a DSD on my SVX140T and it has worked great.


did you find any issues with the DSD design? I found the flats to be great, but the ring fit and how it was secured wasn't ideal. Also the connections on to the usb and power were slightly off/thicker so I ended up printing a cable lock to add to it so they wouldn't accidentally come loose. (since the usage is intended to be remote observatory)

overall still my preferred device I think. Flats produced were as good as any I've used and the motorization of the device was solid. until @Bill Long - Dark Matters Astrophotography starts selling his design that he built for his epsilon, the DSD is my best bet I think. 

@Bill Long - Dark Matters Astrophotography i'm actually selling a RASA 11 now because I couldn't quite figure out how i'd be happy operating it remotely with the dew shield, flats, and closing lid. I'm pretty sure your device would change that equation. just saying..... ;-)

The fit was a bit tight, yes. I haven't had issues with the connection
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CCDnOES 5.21
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Nick Grundy:
I have a DSD on my SVX140T and it has worked great.


did you find any issues with the DSD design? I found the flats to be great, but the ring fit and how it was secured wasn't ideal. Also the connections on to the usb and power were slightly off/thicker so I ended up printing a cable lock to add to it so they wouldn't accidentally come loose. (since the usage is intended to be remote observatory)

overall still my preferred device I think. Flats produced were as good as any I've used and the motorization of the device was solid. until @Bill Long - Dark Matters Astrophotography starts selling his design that he built for his epsilon, the DSD is my best bet I think. 

@Bill Long - Dark Matters Astrophotography i'm actually selling a RASA 11 now because I couldn't quite figure out how i'd be happy operating it remotely with the dew shield, flats, and closing lid. I'm pretty sure your device would change that equation. just saying..... ;-)

The fit was a bit tight, yes. I haven't had issues with the connection

Although I generally like the design, the larger ones can have trouble fully opening against the magnets and will therefore "flop around". Closing seems fine. Mine on the Epsilon 130 does this. The manufacturer is supposed to come out with new firmware soon to allow it to work better in terms of opening and latching. If that does not work I will 3D print a wedge to allow it to stay in place when open.
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davidRosenthal 5.49
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I went through allot with my RB Focus and now have 2 WandererAstro flat panel devices and could not be happier. Zero issues with broadband or 3/5 nm narrowband filters. Works perfectly with NINA
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jsg 8.77
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Nick Grundy:
I have a DSD on my SVX140T and it has worked great.


did you find any issues with the DSD design? I found the flats to be great, but the ring fit and how it was secured wasn't ideal. Also the connections on to the usb and power were slightly off/thicker so I ended up printing a cable lock to add to it so they wouldn't accidentally come loose. (since the usage is intended to be remote observatory)

overall still my preferred device I think. Flats produced were as good as any I've used and the motorization of the device was solid. until @Bill Long - Dark Matters Astrophotography starts selling his design that he built for his epsilon, the DSD is my best bet I think. 

@Bill Long - Dark Matters Astrophotography i'm actually selling a RASA 11 now because I couldn't quite figure out how i'd be happy operating it remotely with the dew shield, flats, and closing lid. I'm pretty sure your device would change that equation. just saying..... ;-)

Hi Nick,

I purchased this flip-flat:

https://astroworldtelescopes.com/products/wanderer-astro-flat-panel-v4-ec
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davidRosenthal 5.49
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Jeffery Richards:
Mauricio Moreno:
I chose an RB Focus Excalibur for my 10" SkyWatcher Quattro Pro. It is sturdy, has solid connectors, is elegant, and superbly terminated. No complaints after three months working remotely in the Atacama region in Chile. Daily use. I am just waiting for my Tak refractor to pull the trigger for a new Excalibur.

Seriously, check this:

https://www.rbfocus.net/product-page/rb-focus-excalibur-pre-orden


My only issue would be the attachment of the panel to the actuator which looks to be double-sided tape. Not sure I would trust that at a remote location for longevity purposes.

Mine fell off and/or slipped so many times. when it slipped down towards the focuser the servo drove the panel into the OTA until it burned up. Happened to me twice. Last time I chucked it and ordered a WandererAstro V4. Perfect.
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