Solar Photography during the Solar Eclipse *recommendations needed* Generic equipment discussions · miyan9 · ... · 22 · 1010 · 12

miyan9 0.00
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Hello,

I've got an itch to purchase a solar-dedicated telescope for the April event in the US.  I've got my bases covered with the equipment for the photographing of the actual eclipse (RedCat 51 + Canon 5D Mark IV Camera, Canon 100-500 RF Lens + Canon R5 Camera, and maybe a 3rd manual setup). 

An H-Alpha solar telescope is now on my radar, but I wondered if anyone had any recommendations. I would want to capture up-close details of different areas of the sun, not just the actual disc. With that said, does anyone recommend a solar-specific telescope for the event in April? 

My budget is anything under $2,500US, although if I win the lottery next week, I will purchase the $108K Lunt telescope I've seen online lol.

I also have a ZWO ASI1600MM camera boxed up, so I'd love to put it to use once again.

Thank you all for your input :-)
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messierman3000 4.02
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For 2,500 dollars, I would get a normal refractor then add something like a Daystar Quark or a Lunt CaK module, but that's just me.
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miyan9 0.00
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For 2,500 dollars, I would get a normal refractor then add something like a Daystar Quark or a Lunt CaK module, but that's just me.

Would I be able to use this Daystar Quark Gemini on any William Optics RedCat and image using a ZWO 1600mm camera?IMG_7087.jpeg
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Starman609 6.45
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The DayStar Chromosphere Quark and a ZWO 174MM camera would be a great choice and would keep you under your budget. A UV/IR filter will also be needed to block out the heat. Sometimes the Quarks are on backorder so I would start looking soon for any Solar gear you might consider as everything will sell out the closer we get to the eclipse. Solar photography requires taking video so the camera you choose must support this option.

Another good option would be the Lunt 60. Sometimes you can find these used on Cloudy Nights.

Good Luck!
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Starminer68 2.41
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For solar eclipse I would reccomend jusy to buy good solar filter for the scope and ASI color camera, DSLR is ok too. But if you are really interested in solar imaging -buy Lunt solar scope -the best choice in my opinion.
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messierman3000 4.02
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For 2,500 dollars, I would get a normal refractor then add something like a Daystar Quark or a Lunt CaK module, but that's just me.

Would I be able to use this Daystar Quark Gemini on any William Optics RedCat and image using a ZWO 1600mm camera?IMG_7087.jpeg

Read this topic on CN https://www.cloudynights.com/topic/850673-daystar-quark-use-with-redcat/ I recommend you do not point any Petzvel to the sun.
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messierman3000 4.02
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There is something called an Energy Rejection Filter that goes on the end of refractors that might make petzvels okay for sun imaging, but then an ERF is a little expensive.
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messierman3000 4.02
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Furthermore, 250mm focal length paired with a 1600mm pro would give an FOV that is a little too wide in my opinion:
astronomy_tools_fov (8).png
And here is 900mm focal length, which is a common FL in 4 inch refractors; you can get a Doublet like this for $1000 (not including a flattener):astronomy_tools_fov (9).png
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Furthermore, 250mm focal length paired with a 1600mm pro would give an FOV that is a little too wide in my opinion:
astronomy_tools_fov (8).png
And here is 900mm focal length, which is a common FL in 4 inch refractors; you can get a Doublet like this for $1000 (not including a flattener):astronomy_tools_fov (9).png

 I think the Daystar Quark has a 4.2x Barlow built in. Wouldn't that make his 250mm redcat 1050mm?
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messierman3000 4.02
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Matt Dees:
Furthermore, 250mm focal length paired with a 1600mm pro would give an FOV that is a little too wide in my opinion:
astronomy_tools_fov (8).png
And here is 900mm focal length, which is a common FL in 4 inch refractors; you can get a Doublet like this for $1000 (not including a flattener):astronomy_tools_fov (9).png

 I think the Daystar Quark has a 4.2x Barlow built in. Wouldn't that make his 250mm redcat 1050mm?

Thanks for the correction. Yes it would.
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messierman3000 4.02
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So let's see 900mm * 4.2:

astronomy_tools_fov (10).png
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Marcelof 4.52
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I recommend you watch the latest episode of The Astroimaging Channel, very informative on the subject:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3XpveLolZw
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No recommendations of scope/camera combination, but whatever you buy, buy it quickly and get very comfortable with its use. There is absolutely nothing worse than faffing about with kit/settings during a time dependent event; as they say "and there it was, gone...."
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messierman3000 4.02
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"Thank you for shopping at AgenaAstro!"

Guy: This scope is gonna be perfect for the eclipse!

(The solar eclipse happening at that very moment)
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EdDixonImages 3.10
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I have a Quark and it works well.  However with its 4.2 barlow view, you need a lower bandwidth scope.  I use a WO Z61, and with a ASI174MM you only get about half of the full disc.  I also have a ASI294MM, but it still gets less than full disk.  With a Nikon Zfc you get full disk, or most other APS-C or full frame format cameras.

SunCrops.png
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miyan9 0.00
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Ed Dixon:
I have a Quark and it works well.  However with its 4.2 barlow view, you need a lower bandwidth scope.  I use a WO Z61, and with a ASI174MM you only get about half of the full disc.  I also have a ASI294MM, but it still gets less than full disk.  With a Nikon Zfc you get full disk, or most other APS-C or full frame format cameras.

SunCrops.png

I definitely want the Quark Gemini, but what would be like?

Quark Gemini 
ZWO 174mm

what type or scope or lens would I use on the quark? I see all the pictures available online and the quark looks like an eyepiece. How would that be installed?

***apologies for the noob questions***
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Ed Dixon:
I have a Quark and it works well.  However with its 4.2 barlow view, you need a lower bandwidth scope.  I use a WO Z61, and with a ASI174MM you only get about half of the full disc.  I also have a ASI294MM, but it still gets less than full disk.  With a Nikon Zfc you get full disk, or most other APS-C or full frame format cameras.

SunCrops.png

I definitely want the Quark Gemini, but what would be like?

Quark Gemini 
ZWO 174mm

what type or scope or lens would I use on the quark? I see all the pictures available online and the quark looks like an eyepiece. How would that be installed?

***apologies for the noob questions***

This is what is looks like with a WO GT71, Quark, and ZWO camera.

https://www.cloudynights.com/gallery/image/153196-img-0557/
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EdDixonImages 3.10
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The combo I hope to test later today is a WO Z61 scope, Quark, and Nikon Zfc camera.  
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BryanHudson 1.20
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I deleted my comment as it was not specific to your question.
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We currently don't plan to travel for the eclipse.  Ii will be a max of about 88% here, so not total at all.  Weather permitting, I still plan to do some AP.  Currently I am planning to use 4 rigs here:
  1. WO Z61 scope, Quark, and Nikon Zfc camera an iOptron Sky Guider Pro
  2. ZWO SeeStar with solar filter
  3. WO GT71 scope, solar filter and Nikon D780 on a HEM27 mount
  4. iPhone 14 for images of landscape and darkness progress on a fixed tripod
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messierman3000 4.02
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Firstly, I'm not the OP, but I think this is a good thread for all people preparing or wanting to prepare for the eclipse (it's fine if you don't think so, anyone can ignore my post).

I don't know what I should do for the eclipse. I don't want to be unprepared like that last one last year, the partial one. (I used solar glasses for that one, and it was amazing for a minute, but then, it was, kinda lame... I guess I'm looking at too many solar images online?)

I have these things:

ASI533MC Pro
AVX Mount
50mm Orion Deluxe Guide scope
ASI120MM Mini for the guide scope
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ASIair Mini

I'm thinking I could get a white light filter for my guidescope and do imaging from there, but I'm afraid I'll lack a lot of detail with that. I'm thinking I could try out a Calcium-K module and do Mono with the guidescope?

Or I could plop the guide cam in the Newt's focuser and try to get close-up with the sun? Is there a cheap solar filter that is better than a white light filter? I would need spacers for this, but I can do it.

And then I'm thinking of using the Newt with an 8 inch white light filter, but my cooled cam is color and I'm thinking color is not good for solar, but I could maybe turn up the cooling? Or should I maybe go for a Quark? How would a Quark do with a color cam? How would the bright light effect the mirrors if it bounces around internally?

Furthermore, how is solar imaging done? Is it the same like lunar and planetary, where the APer takes a long video, puts the video in a software that separates and aligns the frames, and another (or the same) software to stack them? Which softwares?



- From Messierman3000, The Deep Questioner
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EdDixonImages 3.10
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Firstly, I'm not the OP, but I think this is a good thread for all people preparing or wanting to prepare for the eclipse (it's fine if you don't think so, anyone can ignore my post).

I don't know what I should do for the eclipse. I don't want to be unprepared like that last one last year, the partial one. (I used solar glasses for that one, and it was amazing for a minute, but then, it was, kinda lame... I guess I'm looking at too many solar images online?)

I have these things:

ASI533MC Pro
AVX Mount
50mm Orion Deluxe Guide scope
ASI120MM Mini for the guide scope
C8-N
ASIair Mini

I'm thinking I could get a white light filter for my guidescope and do imaging from there, but I'm afraid I'll lack a lot of detail with that. I'm thinking I could try out a Calcium-K module and do Mono with the guidescope?

Or I could plop the guide cam in the Newt's focuser and try to get close-up with the sun? Is there a cheap solar filter that is better than a white light filter? I would need spacers for this, but I can do it.

And then I'm thinking of using the Newt with an 8 inch white light filter, but my cooled cam is color and I'm thinking color is not good for solar, but I could maybe turn up the cooling? Or should I maybe go for a Quark? How would a Quark do with a color cam? How would the bright light effect the mirrors if it bounces around internally?

Furthermore, how is solar imaging done? Is it the same like lunar and planetary, where the APer takes a long video, puts the video in a software that separates and aligns the frames, and another (or the same) software to stack them? Which softwares?



- From Messierman3000, The Deep Questioner
White light filters are low cost and can be tried/tested now before the eclipse.  That will give you some idea of what you can expect then.  

I think that many prefer a mono camera for Solar imaging.  I have a couple of them I have used with good results.  I like the Quark, but it is limited to lower focal length scopes (80mm or less I think).The Coronado solar scopes are really great, but not low cost in any form.

The guide scope is an interesting idea and can be tried before as well.  I think they are better at guiding than imaging, but have no real experience with that use mode.

My solar imaging usually involved taking video at short exposure, and then stacking those later.  Both Autostackert and Registax work well here and are free.  I sometimes use GIMP for post processing here, and at times, Pixinsight as well.

The ZWO Seestar S50 includes a solar filter and works well.   Its a low cost unit that stands on its own.
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Juan_Chanclas 0.00
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Hi!

I completely recommend the daystar chromosphere, if you have a refractor with a long focal length (700 o more) you can get very good detail shots of the sun and for full disk shots either a mosaic or a small tube with a focal length of about 200mm is enough.

For the eclipse issue I have a couple of setups already used in the annular eclipse last October and they are the ones I plan to use for the April eclipse.

Evoguide 50mm
Quark Chromosphere (with reducer)
ASI432
https://www.astrobin.com/u1s7ln/

Skywatcher 72ED
herschel prism
Uranus-C
https://www.astrobin.com/194p4h/
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