Rodd Dryfoos:
We may all have an opinion.
Sure Mr.Dryfoos, sure.
I am sorry to have answered this one, and I am not going to argue with you. I recall one thread you started because you had the impression to get not enough likes. In this thread, you have choosen to fingerpoint at one of my pictures. (and so displayed bad manners unparalleled at this site). Somewhere in this thread you also stated something like "I have my opinion and nothing you say is going to change my mind". This one reminds me of that one somehow ...
I am sure, you will reply to this just because you have to have the last word. Have fun!
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Rodd Dryfoos:
Its my opinion…..am I not allowed to have one? Sure, but I didn't understand because the way you stated it seemed that it was an initial Abin premise.
Usually, we say IMHO.
Cheers
How many times do I need to write IMO? its obvious from my earlier posts its my opinion.
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Fritz:
Rodd Dryfoos:
We may all have an opinion. Sure Mr.Dryfoos, sure.
I am sorry to have answered this one, and I am not going to argue with you. I recall one thread you started because you had the impression to get not enough likes. In this thread, you have choosen to fingerpoint at one of my pictures. (and so displayed bad manners unparalleled at this site). Somewhere in this thread you also stated something like "I have my opinion and nothing you say is going to change my mind". This one reminds me of that one somehow ...
I am sure, you will reply to this just because you have to have the last word. Have fun! I never pointed at your images. I do not even know who you are. Not going to argue? It seems that is what you want to do. Somehow you have made this about you. It isn't.
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So obvious that Fritz and I didn't understand. You can still argue it's our fault lol 2 out of how many? Read my posts--all of them .
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Rodd DryfoosThe initial premise is HST and other professional data should not be judged against data collected by individuals.
Maybe use ˜"should" next time so we'll better understand that it's your opinion  No, the initial premise in this statement refers to my original post
"What is it with IOTD being given so frequently to Hubble data images? I have seen 2 recently. I feel any is too many. Are there no decent images posted from folks who painstakingly spend weeks capturing and processing THEIR OWN data? NASA does not need the recognition. I think it is an insult to the people posting their own images."
I think that it is obvious that I refer to my opinion and not an established rule of Astrobin
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Rodd Dryfoos:
I never pointed at your images.
Mr. Dryfoos, either your memory does not serve you very well or you are a liar.
Salvatore deleted the thread, but if you use the search function you will find your words:
"Or this one https://www.astrobin.com/375326/CD/?nc=user Vs https://www.astrobin.com/238558/0/?nc=user[/quote]Thats MY IMAGE!!!! I
certainly can post it at will.And I was pressed to give an example."
People say, one should not argue with persons like you: They drag one down to their level and beat one there by experience. Enough said!
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Fritz:
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I never pointed at your images. Mr. Dryfoos, either your memory does not serve you very well or you are a liar.
Salvatore deleted the thread, but if you use the search function you will find your words:
[i]"Or this one https://www.astrobin.com/375326/CD/?nc=user Vs https://www.astrobin.com/238558/0/?nc=user Thats MY IMAGE!!!! I
certainly can post it at will.And I was pressed to give an example."
[/i]People say, one should not argue with persons like you: They drag one down to their level and beat one there by experience. Enough said![/quote] First of all--lets stick to this post. But I NEVER mentioned you by name. I do not care whose images I look at. its all about the image. If I find fault with an image, I do so based on the image and do not care who took it. Grow up
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Bogdan Borz:
You made a giant leap with the processing Connor ! Really interesting to see how it looks in the beginning. I mean even Hubble has severe star artifacts, lots of hot pixels. Sometimes it is difficult to say what is an artifact (like those flames above the big stars in Arp 273, they edited them in the official version ). However, this will make me abandon my project of installing a remote rig in La Palma Too much light pollution and gradients : )) (weird though that they have these problems with the Liverpool telescope - a low target?).
This actually isn't from the Liverpool Telescope. It's from the Discovery Channel Telescope (well I guess Lowell Discovery now, but I am in a habit), and I find it capable of extraordinary things. Like the detail and faint structures within the Crab nebula below.
The issues in the data though are due to a couple things:
- Lack of integration (the Eye's image is 1 of each R, V, and B filters) Other images we have worked on where even just using 3 frames instead of 1 yielded remarkably less artifacts. [/*]
- No calibration frames. The data comes from an engineer I am friends with over there. They have to test the telescope every so often to make sure everything is working okay, this included taking random images. They send me some of the shots on occasion to play around with. Sometimes there are calibration frames to go along with it, sometimes there isn't.[/*]
Making an off-topic, I usually had this pattern on the raw frames, blue channel, from Subaru. I was used to get rid of them calibrating with flat, bias and dark. I haven't understood where this data come from, are calibration frames available for them?
Yes, it can be gotten rid of with calibration frames, there just sadly were not any for this set. Calibration frames lead to much cleaner frames, capable of much better images. The DCT does not have any public data that I am aware of, and it costs $12,000 a night to make observations with. I don't think I will be using it for anything other than the test data for a long time 
Connor
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Fritz:
Mr. Dryfoos, either your memory does not serve you very well or you are a liar.Salvatore deleted the thread, but if you use the search function you will find your words:
"Or this one https://www.astrobin.com/375326/CD/?nc=user Vs https://www.astrobin.com/238558/0/?nc=userThats MY IMAGE!!!! I
certainly can post it at will.And I was pressed to give an example."
People say, one should not argue with persons like you: They drag one down to their level and beat one there by experience. Enough said! I do not care whose images I look at. its all about the image. Its not personal. If I find fault with an image, I do so based on the image and do not care who took it. I never identified your image by your name. Grow up
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Totally agree Rodd, I for one, will not submit images with data from HST, I may be wrong but I only submit images that the data was taken by the processor. Maybe there should be a Processing Image of the Day different from the IOTD. That's my two cents worth. 😁
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I'm a step beyond using my own rig. I also use my own written software - end to end - while you use 3rd parties one.s Should I deserve any offset while considering my images as TP/IOTD? stop nit picking for an argument. Professional data is what we are talking about. Not processing platforms. And I would say that using someone else’s rig is not a step beyond
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Van H. McComas:
Totally agree Rodd, I for one, will not submit images with data from HST, I may be wrong but I only submit images that the data was taken by the processor. Maybe there should be a Processing Image of the Day different from the IOTD. That's my two cents worth. 😁 agreed. So simple.
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Van H. McComas:
Maybe there should be a Processing Image of the Day different from the IOTD.
For what it's worth i feel this would devalue IOTD.
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Van H. McComas:
Maybe there should be a Processing Image of the Day different from the IOTD. For what it's worth i feel this would devalue IOTD.
cant see how. IMO IOTD is pretty much meaningless now as images are compared against images that it makes no sense to compare. like the moon and M51. It makes sense to have categories
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Okay my thinking here is when you get IOTD with your lunar image, it's not only considered a great lunar image, but a great image full stop. The image was acknowledged as great amongst a pool of images of various subjects and no handicaps. Ergo the award has more value.
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Okay my thinking here is when you get IOTD with your lunar image, it's not only considered a great lunar image, but a great image full stop. The image was acknowledged as great amongst a pool of images of various subjects and no handicaps. Ergo the award has more value. yes but the decision to choose an image when disparate image types are in play is almost completely subjective. You can’t compare apples and oranges beyond a simplistic level. It’s taken for granted that they are both good images. So how to choose? I believe the only meaningful way to do it is to have categories
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As Abraham Lincoln famously said, “You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all of the people all of the time”
I recall the OP once attempted to start his own awards here on AB. Perhaps more of this endless time and energy complaining about IOTD would be best served pursuing that course? |
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Rodd Dryfoos:
stop nit picking for an argument. Professional data is what we are talking about. Not processing platforms. And I would say that using someone else’s rig is not a step beyond Give me a break Dryfoos. Take a long breath and count up to 3. You didn't even understand what I wrote
Just a dummy and a Liar I guess...
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Andy 01:
As Abraham Lincoln famously said, “You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all of the people all of the time”I recall the OP once attempted to start his own awards here on AB. Perhaps more of this endless time and energy complaining about IOTD would be best served pursuing that course? Yes...its called categories
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I think we should take a deep breath and wait for the competition module to come out. It could be good testing grounds for those that want change to IOTD system.
To the IOTD volunteers using their free time to select quality images every day, I think you're doing the job well! 👍
--Ethan
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Rodd Dryfoos:
yes but the decision to choose an image when disparate image types are in play is almost completely subjective. You can’t compare apples and oranges beyond a simplistic level. It’s taken for granted that they are both good images. So how to choose? I believe the only meaningful way to do it is to have categories
Why does it have to be a perfect comparison? Why can't the choices be subjective?
Judges choose an image. They all have different likes, biases and motives for their choices. The whole process is subjective from submitting to reviewing and judging.
A panel of your peers picks one. We all get to see it, the person whose image is chosen is chuffed and we all get on with our lives.
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Let's go back to the sketches.Category is a good solution at first glance, I was strongly advocating it and I left the site for a while for it.
But if you drill down a little bit into the topic, you'll see that it's quite unfeasible. At least for the moment.
Resuming your thoughts, you state that the IOTD should just come from own collected data.
But what if the data are collected via a remote proprietary observatory or a backyard under a mean sky? They are not clearly comparable, but both are collected by the authors so they will run in the same category. Or will we create a sub-category?
The same is valid for 100k rigs against 1k ones. Will we split them into other subs?
Where do we put Chilescope, iTelescope, etc...?
Come on, it's an absurd level of complexity for an IOTD system that doesn't promote the winner to any privileged position.
Cheers categories are quite simple
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Rodd Dryfoos:
yes but the decision to choose an image when disparate image types are in play is almost completely subjective. You can’t compare apples and oranges beyond a simplistic level. It’s taken for granted that they are both good images. So how to choose? I believe the only meaningful way to do it is to have categories Why does it have to be a perfect comparison? Why can't the choices be subjective?
Judges choose an image. They all have different likes, biases and motives for their choices. The whole process is subjective from submitting to reviewing and judging.
A panel of your peers picks one. We all get to see it, the person whose image is chosen is chuffed and we all get on with our lives.
It should not be subjective at its core. Otherwise a blurry gray image could win because the judge likes it
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I think we should take a deep breath and wait for the competition module to come out. It could be good testing grounds for those that want change to IOTD system.To the IOTD volunteers using their free time to select quality images every day, I think you're doing the job well! 👍
--Ethan Yes they are following the rules....it is the rules that I feel should be changed
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